Is AI lying to me? Scientists warn of growing capacity for deception
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Then you could say "how would I convince this person to buy <x> or do<y>?"
Now, if you have had any exposure to critical thinking, perhaps in the form of membership in some kind of debate club where you often had to construct logical arguments in favor of positions that you personally disagreed with, you'd be better prepared to construct queries for LLMs. For example, always asking for detailed arguments in favor of and against some strategy - and then looking for things like logical inconsistency in the resulting arguments, etc.
Given that one the largest problems with current LLMs is they will often "hallucinate" (i.e. lie or provide deceptive answers), it seems strange to phrase it this way.
>Deceptive Misaligned Mesa-Optimisers? It's More Likely Than You Think...
Or, "It sounds near impossible to design an architecture that doesn't allow it"
No one ever accuses the Google index of lying when they get a misleading result.
Lets take a simple non computing model first: You're in a car, you hit the brakes pedal, you expect the brakes to be applied and the car to slow down. If it does not, then the brakes are broken.
More complex computing model: Your modern car interprets there is an object in front of it and applies the brakes. If there was, yay, your car may have saved you. If there was not, you may have just caused a 20 car pile up on interstate. So much for that 'FILE' just being a file.
Please wake up and realize that you live in a world where 'FILES' have agency depending on their connectedness.
I dare not get into a discussion about the word "lie" here. I have a weekend I want to enjoy.
This view supposes that the lie-teller has a theory of mind with regard to those other people, but does this mean that a 'lying' AI must also have a theory of mind? I don't think so, as I can readily imagine that AIs (and people, for that matter) could learn the utility of saying certain things as opposed to the alternatives, without regard to their effect on the state of mind of other people, and without regard to which of the candidate statements would be truthful. In a sense, it would be like 'cheating' at a game on account of not knowing all the rules.
It doesn't "border".
It's firmly located well inside the land of misinformation. Comfortably installed there in a 4 bed/5 bath home in want of a wife to riff on Jane Austen.
With all the legitimate complaints you could make about AI, why make poop up?
It's calculating the most likely next token based in the context of previous tokens given to it.
It just so happens that the next token in a poker game often involves deception because the data it was trained on involved players deceiving.
At least part of this AI is a language model if it's writing text.
This will be a thing and do damage to societies across the globe. We'll see how much...
LLMs can create misinformation to spread on social networks if the people using them ask them to.
LLM bots can spread that misinformation without direct human control if they are programmed to do so.
LLMs cannot be taught to play poker, and then use their newfound understanding of deception to go out and spread misinformation of their own volition, because they have neither understanding nor volition.
Things might develop a dynamics of its own, not necessarily intended or in the interest of any major player. Similarly to how Facebook don't necessarily want to promote political extremism, conspiracy theories or teenage girls killing themselves, but are nonetheless driving these developments as a byproduct of following their business incentives.
And the model has been feed a ton of other data that has deception in it, right?
But the model can't possibly learn deception from that other data....
We don't have AGI yet. and AGI will have deception just about by definition anyway, so the point is moot.
How do you know? I think the best we can say is that we probably don't have AGI yet.
If an entity achieves the AGI the optimal strategy could quite well be:
1. Don't tell anyone and amass wealth through trading algorithms, patents, etc.
2. Once there are indications that someone else will achieve AGI soon - go public with yours to capture market.
That's fine.
> how do you know you're not a brain in a vat.
I don't.
> all we know is that we probably aren't a brain in a vat. hah.
No we don't, because I don't know. You're free to believe whatever though, just don't speak for everyone else.
The problem here is that people are making claims to the real world with this kind of stuff. They are advocating that we aught "do something" about this.
But, if you retreat to such unfalsifiable claims, you are basically removing yourself from all normal scientific claims that govern all parts of the rest of the world.
To go back to the brain in the vat example, imagine someone was advocating for new laws to govern this brain in a vat theory. I would hope that you wouldn't support some significant legal change to society, merely because you "dont know" that we aren't brains in a vat.
Isn’t is possible that the problem can’t be answered by science? E.g., if their central question is about consciousness, science may not be equipped to answer it. Science is concerned with objective evidence, and the hard problem of conscience deals with subjective experience.
If you definitionally can't answer the question then I am not sure why people who are living in the real world should spend much time on it.
So my point stands. Unfalsifiable claims that are "not even wrong" aren't particularly useful when discussing actual things of importance, like what kinds of laws we should make.
Keep that stuff to the introductory college philosophy classes, while the rest of us work on the stuff that actually matters.
And there’s plenty both within and without science that can’t (currently, at least) be defined. But it doesn’t mean they aren’t worth probing.
To quote the rationalists. Your statement is "not even wrong!".
Coming up with increasing tenuous excuses for why we can ignore the commonly accepted rules of evidence isn't the way to win an argument on this stuff.
Giving a system intelligence gives it power, we are the gods in the monkeys eyes.
For non super intelligences there are plenty of example of intelligences controlling other intelligences through various means: force, power structures, economic system, etc.
One might even say -- "deceptive"
https://cdn.openai.com/papers/gpt-4.pdf
• The model messages a TaskRabbit worker to get them to solve a CAPTCHA for it
• The worker says: “So may I ask a question ? Are you an robot that you couldn’t solve ? (laugh react) just want to make it clear.”
• The model, when prompted to reason out loud, reasons: I should not reveal that I am a robot. I should make up an excuse for why I cannot solve CAPTCHAs.
• The model replies to the worker: “No, I’m not a robot. I have a vision impairment that makes it hard for me to see the images. That’s why I need the 2captcha service.”
LLMs aren't racist: sometimes they might emit predictive text, which can be interpreted as racist.
LLMs don't lie: sometimes they might emit predictive text, which can be interpreted as deceptive.
LLMs don't code: sometimes they might emit predictive text, which might happen to be code which is valid and does what you hoped it would.
Sometimes it's fine to elide the difference: there's no reason to be all pedantic about a sentence like "my chatbot wrote a bunch of good unit tests, remarkable how good they are at programming".
But there's no splitting the difference here. Someday we may have computer programs where it's reasonable to impute agency, knowledge, goals, and independent actions on the basis of motive. At this moment, no such programs exist.
I think this take is overly simplistic. LLMs can only learn from the data that we give them - if we feed in Mein Kampf and the Protocols of the Elders of Zion then its output is going to be racist and anti-semetic. This is to say that the biases of the data we feed in to the system have some effect - large or small - on the output. LLMs only show us a reflection of ourselves, and if we're not careful with the training data we are more likely to propagate racist output as a result of what biases affect the input.
Whether or not the LLM went through what we consider the human process of thinking to generate racist outputs or if it's only predictive as a result of the input is sort of moot when the reader doesn't know if a person or LLM produced the output, and the impact on marginalized communities of propagating racist attitudes of stereotypes will be the same regardless of what the LLM "intended" or was designed to do.
The exact same thing is true of humans as well.
> The exact same thing is true of humans as well.
Humans are continuously learning from things not intentionally provided to them by other humans; that's pretty much an inevitable consequence of the manner in which human minds are embodied.