If not, you are not going to understand the feelings here, whatever "objective" but useless words you write here.
btw Devin is just a hoax. Look it up, and find better arguments in the future.
Also, I'm aware, that's why I wrote, "the way Devin is presenting itself". Apple doesn't have a factory where they're constantly crushing pianos either. So check your tone.
Well, artists and musicians can have as much emotional attachment to their tools as pet owners to their pets. To most people the ad is only slight disturbing, but to the artists (and the nostalgic) it’s soul crushing. That’s why Apple is apologizing: they’ve offended their core market.
Even then; we regularly celebrate movies in which human beings are depicted as having their brains splattered out of their heads (The Departed won best picture), so I’m not sure where the basis to complain about depicting even murder in video art comes from. Not everyone likes puppies; pretty much 100% of everyone loves at least some humans.
Frankly, I have to wonder if you actually want to know or whether the question was a feint so you could express a very personal criticism less directly. If you weren't comfortable saying it to them directly - maybe that's a sign you still have swipes to edit out.
Should we mourn their technological predecessors or recognize we live in an ever-changing world we've only seen a small snapshot of?
And so ad where a guitar and some camera lenses are destroyed isn't "soul-crushing". Saying that is being overly dramatic.
ETA: I think this nugget of wisdom from Pirate Software is good to keep in mind.
https://youtube.com/shorts/S9xrkjUXuUM
People frequently express themselves in ways that are infuriating and unhelpful (myself included, embarrassingly often). Learning to cut through the noise and learn from them despite that is a valuable social skill. We can't change the fact that people act this way, but we can decide how we will receive and respond to it.
And thanks for sharing your thoughts. There isn't anything you said I'd disagree with. My original point was quite simple: people shouldn't be so soft. Although, I guess that's not really helpful and me saying that won't flip a switch in someone's head.
> I understand we do these things because we find enjoyment in them.
It's not that people enjoy making art (though they usually do). People have a much more profound relationship to art than that. I'll try to illustrate in a way that's more grokkable to the technically inclined.
Once I was injured and couldn't use a computer other than a phone for 10 months. I was very frustrated and depressed. I felt like I had lost access to a part of myself.
There were definitely moments that were soul crushing. In particular times when I couldn't get software to work, because I couldn't even extract an error message or any relevant telemetry from the confines of a nerfed operating system, so I couldn't even begin to troubleshoot. I wasn't accustomed to my computer being a black box I couldn't interrogate. It ran counter to my image of myself and my abilities.
One time, several years later, a friend almost spilled wine on my ergonomic keyboard (which I absolutely need to use a computer after my injury). I told them to be careful. They pretended to spill it again. I told them that absolutely wasn't funny to me. They told me I was overreacting.
Do you think that's because I enjoy using Linux and writing Python? Or do you think there could be a bit more than that going on?
I'd rather not beat around the bush if you simply wanted to disagree with a user instead of pretending to seek out an alternative POV.
>Should we mourn their technological predecessors or recognize we live in an ever-changing world we've only seen a small snapshot of?
You can still buy vinyl records today that work in a phonograph made in the 60's. It is hard (but not impossible) to truly "kill off" old mediums. It definitely can't be done on the order of decades.
No one's mourning the death of music, because music isn't dead. And you don't get to tell people how they should react and feel to media.
And right, exactly, none of these things are actually extinct yet, so why dramatize? And if at some point they die off, it won't be Apple that caused it. It will happen because people stop caring, practising and using the things in question.
You dont have the right to tell other people how they should feel and react to things based on your own thoughts and opinions.
Its ironic, because you too are telling people how to act and feel, by telling them that they can't do that.
As for hypocrisy - if someone says, "you're acting like a jerk" and you say, "I have every right to make fun of you," you're not going to be able to convince me these are equivalent positions.
I actually think the jerks are the ones who are over reacting and not engaging with the substance of the disagreement, and the moral position is from the ones who don't take their overreaction seriously.
If you want to say that everyone should just chill out, and not take any of this seriously , then that would be agreeing with me completely as that's my entire point and motivation.
> if someone says, "you're acting like a jerk"
No actually. That's not what they are doing.
Instead what they are doing is dismissing well reasoned criticism off hand without addressing the argument.
Instead of making a counter argument, where they try to defend the silly overreaction with arguments, instead they do the equivalent of saying "well that's just our/your opinion, man! You have no (moral?) right to tell people otherwise.".
They are the ones hitting the eject button from any sort of discourse.
And if you flee and retreat from actually engaging, no that should not be taken seriously.
> you're not going to be able to convince me these are equivalent positions.
Correct they aren't equivalent. The other person is worse. Way worse. Because they are the ones who fled to not addressing the substance of the matter.
Here, read the original comment: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=40317635
It is quite reasonable. And the other person had the jerk reaction, by instead of addressing it, they instead say that it is just that person's opinion, and they have "no right".
That is not engagement. That is the poor behavior.
That comment isn't my favorite, but it isn't an attack. It's still an assertion of the commenters position, with language that's stronger than I'd prescribe but within bounds in my estimation. Flag and/or downvote it if you disagree.
If you want to know what I personally believe, on a postage stamp, I wouldn't say people "have no right" to make such assertions (I don't think it's a productive or interesting line of conversation), but I think it's a bad call to make them (I think it's reductive and misses the forest), so I'm sympathetic to that perspective.
Not on hacker news:
>Please don't fulminate. Please don't sneer, including at the rest of the community.
Dang isn't some overbearing dictator, but you'll find your time here short if the behavior continues.
>Eschew flamebait. Avoid generic tangents. Omit internet tropes.
We don't do that here, so I urge you to reconsider that approach next time.
...In your opinion.
It has probably actually make the ad very successful.