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I purchased FSD in 2019 on the promise of self driving. 5 years later and still no self driving. There was also the promise of the car being able to self park. I would be happy if I got my money back for a feature that was never delivered.

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I couldn't imagine paying $12,000 for technology that didn't exist, from someone who repeatedly lied about that technology existing.

People generally trust the US consumer products market. And that's a good thing.

If people had to research the CEO of Old Navy before they bought a pair of pants from oldnavy.com, it would be pretty bad for our economy.

And there are markets like this where trust is low, and they don't function well.

The difference is that Old Navy isn't selling anything they don't already have ready to go.

Lamborghini and Ferrari take orders, but they tell you what the average wait time is, and you don't have to pay a 100% deposit beforehand.

If old navy CEO asked me to pay $5000 up front for jeans that can't wear out and that wash themselves, and had been saying that it'll be here next year for five years, I'd be pretty skeptical too. I also would encourage refunds or investigation when I buy it and the features are never delivered.

That is true for those who paid in recent 2-3 years. You can't say that for those who paid 3+ years ago.

As my grandfather used to put it, you paid some "tuition of life" for a lesson you'll (hopefully) not soon forget.

Yeah but also it’s good to punish lying companies. It increases trust in the market.

same. at least we got in before the price jumped? We don't even have a hope as the new MCU doesn't even support getting backported to our car even if we were willing to pay for it.

Pretty sure it cost me more than the $2500 I paid. I tried smart summon one day. Instead of backing out of the space, it just ran forward up the curb on to the sidewalk. Couple years later the left strut failed costing me $2k.

RIP. I haven't had any issues like that yet; but I've also barely used it out of that exact fear.

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