Misconceptions about SB 1047
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The speed at which the article glazes over one of the major issues with the bill is incredible.
The definition of "outperform those that were" (wording is pretty much the same in the bill) is part of the issue. The bill doesn't define any benchmarks, so whose to say tomorrow a new benchmark doesn't come out and your model trained at home on 3 4090s all of a sudden is the best at something.
And the bill also makes you responsible for what people do with your model. If it is decided that you didn't put in enough safeguards (again, no real definition) your liability goes through the roof.
Now companies are pretty likely to just ignore all this in the short term, but laws like this essentially make it just a matter of perspective to decide if someone is breaking the law or not. If you look hard enough from the right angle, any model could be argued to be in noncompliance.
This reminds me of key size limits back during the cryptography wars of the 1990s. "Nobody would ever need a key larger than 64 bits." Then 5 years later keys this small can be cracked on a gaming desktop.
A jury of their peers on the other hand...
I honestly quit reading after that.
So let me put it a bit more pointedly: what's the point regulating what doesn't exist when the existing models are already dangerous? Is there a legitimate reason? Is it a fig leaf measure so that politicians can uphold the appearance of taking action?
Genuinely curious where this comes from, because it’s still not clear what military bases on the moon might lead to. (Which is partly why the more-restrictive Moon Treaty failed.)
By turning the 20- to 60-minute flight time of an ICBM into a three-day trip? What?! This is like people with zero knowledge of orbital mechanics getting uppity about nukes in orbit.
By that logic there is military value to staging nukes to attack Earth on Alpha Centauri. You can launch more payload quicker from Earth, all without giving your enemy a polite three-day heads up that they should get around to wiping down their interceptors and nuking you back before cocktail hour.
There is no established value to a military base on the Moon, certainly not as it pertains to Earth directly. We didn’t sign the OST because of fears about lunar bombardment, we signed it because we feared teams trying to stake out conflicting claims in space starting a war on Earth. (See: China and America racing for the edge of Shackleton Crater.)
I am having a whole heck of a lot of trouble reading your comment charitably. Either you do realize that AI research is continuing and will soon pass the limit in the bill if it hasn't already, or you are a troll.
It's easy to shut down your inference cluster and this is a problem?
What about people who are using language models to build agents? What about when we start adding RL to our language models and training them to act in the real world?
Doesn't it make sense to be able to shut this down? Wouldn't it be best to build in the big STOP button first when it is indeed easy?
I think the number needs to be indexed to some measure of readily available consumer hardware.
Otherwise, there are lots of computing capabilities that were estimated to cost 10s or millions of dollars (for example, the first hard drives were tens of thousands of dollars for a few megabytes and a terabyte of storage would have seemed like an astronomical amount projected at 10s of millions of dollars. Also for a long time, a teraflop was considered to be an astronomical amount of computing power which a high end desktop or laptop can now easily hit).
The same can be said about those that oppose legislation. Are you against it because you're some black hat that knows how to exploit people using AI? Are you just part of Big Data and want to harvest everyone's info? Are you some kind of pseudo-anarchist that believes society is better off without any rules? Maybe you are all of those things. But it's most likely you're not. As it's most likely that the person who wrote this is not maliciously motivated.
My point is it's not conducive to assume someone has nefarious reasons for an opinion with no evidence of it. Try pointing out flaws and countering them. Jumping to conclusions that someone's a shill/troll/whatever is a bad idea in general.
There are reasons it's in the guidelines for HN: Please don't post insinuations about astroturfing, shilling, brigading, foreign agents, and the like. It degrades discussion and is usually mistaken. If you're worried about abuse, email hn@ycombinator.com and we'll look at the data.
to be blunt, I think just someone who thinks differently than you, clearly they do not think it's an absurd bill, that's what the whole piece is about...
This is an insane way to legislate, so at best, it makes me think of underlying issues like corruption and incompetency.
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More holistically, it's alarming from a view of what they chose to focus on vs not
I'm pro-regulation, but at the model provider tier, I rather see things like the equivalent of Net Neutrality and rules on platform providers not unfairly competing with app providers. That's the main new thing to be figured out, afaict, at the generic platform/utility provider level.
AI risk is real. At the platform level, the issue isn't models capable of doing bad things, but whether you are a platform for those doing it and how liable you are. Something like KYC is an everyone problem and exists, so I'm unclear why the new legislative land grab, that's a distraction.
I rather see targeted risk/harm-based legislation for app providers... Except that also already largely exists. The bank making loan decisions is regulated. Phishing is already illegal, irrespective of it using AI. Which model provider helps AI users stay compliant is a market thing. If the gov wants to be helpful, make clear standards at that application level with real consumer/business harm, and providers can decide if they help streamline those audits.
AI Platform providers should be liable for knowingly enabling customers to do bad things (or intentionally ignoring), but the nature of compliance changes when you take this stance... KYC again, which already exists. So again, corruption, incompetency, or what?
These politicians and lobbyists could have focused on regulating specific risks for specific industries, or ensuring liability and fair competition for model providers. But they took a very different road that feels more about anti-oss, anticompetitive, personal power, posturing, and weak risk reduction.
To me this feels more like saying "do not be hermetic and opaque when creating society-altering tools" which is a point worth considering.
A subtext to this discussion might be the slavering horde of managers who can't wait to jam AI into critical aspects of life.