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Riot Games' anti-cheat software will require TPM, Secure Boot on Windows 11 (2021)

arstechnica.com

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I recently moved to complete Linux, no dual boot. I was planning to set up League of Legends on Linux, so I could continue to play, but since Vanguard (the anti-cheat software) got released, that is no longer possible. I was a League player for 10 years. I really enjoyed playing the game.

Riot is not implementing the same kernel anti-cheat for Mac. In their blog post, the noted that there are about 800 users playing League through Lutris. If they can detect this, why can't they just allow Linux users to play without the kernel anti-cheat.

I don't think there is a single League of Legends player in the world that wants a kernel anti-cheat. Riot did it anyway. They are completely out of touch with their user base. How are people supposed to trust a kernel anti-cheat from company that is owned by a Chinese company, Tencent.

> I don't think there is a single League of Legends player in the world that wants a kernel anti-cheat.

I doubt the average game player cares about the implementation, but certainly cares about not playing with cheaters.

I would argue that most people don't encounter cheaters while playing, or don't even notice them, unless blatantly obvious. In contrast, anti-cheat software like Vanguard may have a noticeable performance impact on some games, across most players.

while MOBA generally don't have cheater like fps (aimbot,wallhack,auto aim etc) but they are suffer to abuser who use script,auto clicker etc

If you turn the anti-cheat off, you have to restart your computer. That is a hurdle that more than 0 users will run into.

They should release their own console at this point. At least it'll be clear what it is you're buying.

I am pretty sure Riot's kernel driver is not the first Windows kernel driver made by a Chinese company. Trying to sneak impression like that is a very good communication trick to deviate the discussion (to some national security cough cough..), but without evidence is not helpful.

It could be the first Chinese kernel module with the expressed intent of running a game.

I am not sure why you're dismissing my comment. The less software that runs at the kernel level, the less risk I incur just running my machine.

This feels similar to the Anti-Virus programs of old, maybe the solution is the same, Microsoft adds some sensible shim layer that can attest that you're not doing weird things that cheaters would do.

People are happy enough that it's MSFT code in the kernel and not some random game dev studio, game dev studio is happy because it has fewer cheaters.

Or, alternatively, go play a different game, there's a fair few to choose from.

Hi poster here, note that ars technica has it's own comment section and it may be worth reading the comments as well as the article.

I think we're going to be seeing TPM requirements in a lot more things soon. Almost certainly DRM that requires TPM chips will be coming within a few years.

Chrome tried this with attestation and it backfired, one can hope the community can pressure lawmakers to prevent corporations from preventing people to own their computers.

(The pessimist in me laughs maniacally at the optimist in me who wrote it.)

You should include the year when posting a three year old article like this or it becomes inadvertent clickbait.

This is from 2021

Epic Games Fortnite doesn't rely on such solutions. Uninstall Riot Games Products is the only logic consequence for me.

You have to have a TPM on Windows 11, so it's not really any different.

Even Microsoft gives details on how to install Windows 11 without a TPM or one of listed supported CPUs these days. I run Win11 on an "unsupported" setup and not had any issues (yet - who knows what they will change in the future that could break things)

https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/ways-to-install-...

For those who cba'ed:-

> Warning:

> Microsoft recommends against installing Windows 11 on a device that does not meet the Windows 11 minimum system requirements. If you choose to install Windows 11 on a device that does not meet these requirements, and you acknowledge and understand the risks, you can create the following registry key values and bypass the check for TPM 2.0 (at least TPM 1.2 is required) and the CPU family and model.

> Registry Key: HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SYSTEM\Setup\MoSetup

> Name: AllowUpgradesWithUnsupportedTPMOrCPU

> Type: REG_DWORD

> Value: 1

> Note: Serious problems might occur if you modify the registry incorrectly by using Registry Editor or by using another method. These problems might require that you reinstall the operating system. Microsoft cannot guarantee that these problems can be solved. Modify the registry at your own risk.

Yet another reason to stick with Win10 absolutely as long as possible. As if we didn't have enough already.

Or better yet make the switch to Linux. The steam deck really changed the gaming atmosphere.

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