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I am not sure how many people were surveyed and what were the questions in these. I am reminded of this from Yes, Prime Minister https://youtu.be/ahgjEjJkZks?si=_6nlxJ1okysqH07U

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A better way to engage than to allude to some TV series is to rather look for and present any information that suggests this is not the case, that suggests that there is in fact wide spread opposition to the war in Gaza and widespread support for an independent Palestinian state.

Before the October 7, only 35% of Israelis (41% Arab and 32% Jewish) thought a way can be found for Israel and an independent Palestinian state to coexist peacefully with each other [1]. We have to engage with reality here, not with TV tropes.

[1]: https://www.pewresearch.org/short-reads/2023/09/26/israelis-...

I thought alluding to this part in Yes, Prime Minister is going to get across the idea of questionable trustworthiness of surveys. I did try to get the survey details from the given page though, but for some reason the survey page is not loading for me.

Although the protests in Capital against the regime and ministers are pretty revealing . This is a month old link and things might have changed, for the better or worse.

About peace though, it can only prevail with disarmament and talks. And reconciliation. I think we have too many actors, powerful actors, who doesn't want it. Yitzhak Rabin didn't die in his sleep, for one.

The problem with protests is, it's not public opinion. So I don't know what you think it reveals. Poll after poll indicates that there is no appetite in Israel for accepting Hamas's terms, widespread support for military action against Hamas, and widespread opposition to a Palestinian state [1].

Alluding to a TV series is in no way indicative of the accuracy of opinion polls. Yes, Prime Minister is fictional. Israel is not fictional, the war is not fictional, the 1000s of people dead are not fictional, the 1000s of destroyed lives and trillions in destroyed capital is not fictional. Nothing about a fictional TV series is relevant here.

In reality, the Israelis are way more fed up with Gaza than it was 10 years ago and the support for a Palestinian state and peace with Hamas is not going to win anyone elections in Israel. You don't have to like it, but if you think getting rid of Netanyahu is going to change that, you are wrong. What might change is the government policy regarding settlements in the west bank, but it won't stop the war. The most likely person to replace Netanyahu, Benny Gantz, is more eager to enter Rafah than Netanyahu.

[1]: https://www.atlanticcouncil.org/blogs/menasource/israel-gaza...

I think we should still take notice that polls can be manipulated and we have to be careful with the wording. Also people are prone to agreeing to good sounding abstract things but then disagreeing and voting or acting in another way when it comes down to it.

As far as I can tell, the evidence that getting rid of Netanyahu will drastically ramp down of Israeli military policy just does not exist. The only way to support that view is to ignore all the evidence that is available. People may not like Netanyahu, but they don't dislike him because he is fighting Hamas, and they don't dislike them because he is not agreeing to a Palestinian state.

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