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North Korean weapons are killing Ukrainians. The implications are far bigger

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> [The North Korean missile] was bursting with the latest foreign technology. Most of the electronic parts had been manufactured in the US and Europe over the past few years. There was even a US computer chip made as recently as March 2023. This meant that North Korea had illicitly procured vital weapons components, snuck them into the country, assembled the missile, and shipped it to Russia in secret, where it had then been transported to the frontline and fired - all in a matter of months.

Many parts of the North Korean missiles turn out to be fake:

https://www.asahi.com/ajw/articles/15256392

> The Ukrainian government analyzed around 290 parts, believed to be from the KN-24 or KN-23 short-range ballistic missile produced by North Korea, with Conflict Armament Research, a British investigative organization.

> The manufacturer said it analyzed a photo of the bearing sent by The Asahi Shimbun and concluded the part is counterfeit.

> But the group said it confirmed, after contacting the companies concerned, that multiple components were counterfeits of parts produced by European-based makers.

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Russia, China, Iran, and NKorea see themselves at war with The West. It is wishful thinking on The Western people's part that leaders (mostly) will not to acknowledge it publicly, and take the necessary actions with purpose and conviction

It looks like in the end US manufacturers benefit twice from the war.

China owns the west. We won't do anything to stop them or their allies, not anything serious.

I don't understand the last part of your statement?

RE ".. don't understand the last part of your statement...."

He means they supply chips to both sides ... ie make money from this

I mean that the West needs to wake up and realize that we are in a war whether we like it or not. A war of ideology that the other side takes seriously and we do not

And how exactly should one fight a "war of ideology"? Same way as in Vietnam??

Think WW2, where

- fascist countries aligned

- people preferred isolationism to getting into a hot war

- the western countries tried appeasement

- it ended up much worse than it had to be

One of the first steps would be stopping Russia in Ukraine

Silly Americans, you don't win a war of the mind by bringing guns to school

What is the common thread of ideology between North Korea, China, and Russia? The first two are nominally communist, but their interpretations of communism seem incompatible with each other and with most of what communism was from 1918 though the end of the 1980s. Russia has its nostalgists, but they seem to miss the power of the USSR more than its ideology.

It's long standing, basic strategic interest alignment - they don't want American hardware / US influence shaping geopolitics in their backyard via SKR/JP/TW. The TLDR post WW2 settlement, US at height of power while everyone else was wrekted enabled US to establish favourite conditions for US to operate in East Asia. Despite RU/USSR/China(ROC/PRC) being "allies" and also winner of the war, post war arragment left friction points (taiwan, sakhalin islands, liancourt, senkaku) for US to wedge in security interests. Put it this way, JP, despite being unambiguous loser of WW2, has ongoing territorial disputes with ALL her neighbours, which is unfathomable unless one realize it's explicitly engineered to be that way to justify US security architecture in region.

> they don't want American hardware / US influence shaping geopolitics in their backyard

It's more about alternative form of gov't, liberal democracy, that happens to have US as the predominate support base. They like to say it is the US as a single country, but really it is liberal democracy, aka "The West".

IMO not really, liberal democracy isn't that worthwhile/threatening - despite what US/LIO crowd likes to tell themselves. Many US partners in MENA are authoritarians with high income/comfy life. It simply pays better for many to align with hyper hegemon interest and be in good graces in last 50 years. Liberal democracy is only threatening in the sense it's open to US elite capture, US having inserted itself deep into political superstructures of many countries early on, turned some LIO, i.e. US being wealthy hegemon is good at influencing/shaping elites who knows it pays well to be aligned with US interests. Whether authoritarian junta or a crown prince or demographic politician, the latter just tends to be much poorer and easier to influence/capture. At end of the day prepositioning US hardware in their backyard using local geography to collect intel and do containment is much more threatening to their actual interests than spreading LIO ideology/values which semi competent state power can restrain.

China and their belt & road is the same idea you attribute to the US, but from an authoritarian gov't. The USSR did similar. In other words, it's not the form of gov't that does this, but rather the strongest players.

China is also pushing their hardware into everyone's backyards to collect intel. Again, not an artifact of the type of gov't.

What is the biggest threat to an autocracy or authoritarian? Political alternatives

I didn't suggest behaviour it was exclusive to gov system - it's boring self interest calculus - US simply had 50 years of global hegemony head start and played the game better as strongest player coming out of WW2 relatively unscathed, so much so that they're in backyards of everyone, and not everyone wants status quo of such arrangement. When has political alternatives succeeded in displacing autocracies/authoritarians? Typically autocrats get replaced by other autocrats. Also plenty of failed liberalizing movements that reverted back to autocratic rule.

Getting autocratic systems to liberalize generally requires generations of proactive elite capture and shaping by active US influence/intervention, and condition enabling that is recovering from being wrecked post war where superior power can insert itself into local political structures to regime change (be it US or USSR). The biggest threat is physical attack followed political change compelled from external influence.

Political alternatives are easy to crush during peace time if state remotely competent, limit domestic sources of LIO influence, i.e. ban western NGOs. Flip statement around, what is biggest threat to liberal democracies? Autocracies that simply exist fine + liberal democracies that don't. Hence LIO interest trying to undermine autocracies. Many PRC nationals in west / naturalized citizens of LIO countries who experience dysfunction of "alternative" and conclude, no thanks.

>common thread of ideology between North Korea, China, and Russia?

all are leader for life right now, aka dictatorships

Common thread is dictatorship.

NKorea is more legacy fascist than communist

The common thread is authoritarians wanting to see The West (liberal democracies) displaced, in particular the United States. Each has a neighboring democracy that demonstrates an alternative form of gov't (to theirs) serves the people better

- S. Korea vs N. Korea

- Taiwan vs China

- Ukraine vs Russia

- (several) vs Iran (though they have a different priority for the most part)

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