The Airbus A340 was built to rule long-haul travel, but now it’s vanishing
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* https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ETOPS
Once two engines were found to be reliable enough (with sufficient contingency planning) then >2 engine planes (including three-engine like the MD-11) were not really needed.
For those who don’t know, the acronym stands for Engines Turn or Passengers Swim.
It actually stands for: Extended-range Twin-engine Operations Performance Standards
and is a pretty logically laid out standard.
Introducing Boeing’s latest innovation… ESOPS!
Modern engines are ridiculously reliable and ridiculously powerful. That means they don’t fail frequently. And when they do, one is enough to limp to safety [1].
[1] https://simpleflying.com/united-airlines-boeing-757-engine-l...
Human preferences ultimately shape these marketplaces, but humans are fundamentally terrible at evaluating risk, especially for extremely negative but highly unlikely outcomes (see also: terrorist attacks, home invasions, etc).
If the second one fails, you still have at least 75 miles [1]. (More engines would have actually hurt in that situation.)
ETOPS 180 means 180 minutes from a diversion airport. At 737 speeds that could be 1,300 miles.
I don’t think two modern engines have ever failed in a way that wouldn’t have taken out four, e.g. the Air Transat flight, where again, having more dead engines’ weight and drag would have reduced glide distance.
https://www.businesstraveller.com/forums/topic/ek-a380-flies...
Not exactly according to the rules but still.
Light twin piston airplanes, likwise double the odds of engine failure, but due to the dramatic loss of excess thrust, the good engine actually becomes the problem, e.g. Vmc limitation.
The assymetric thrust force can exceed control surface force needed for controlled flight. The solution is never go below Vmc airspeed, but if you do it requires immediate power reduction. And that has consequences that often inhibits committing to the proper action prior to loss of control. In most cases power reduction commits the pilot to landing sooner than preferred, and in a likely suboptimal location.
For the morbidly curious, this occurred on Delta Flight 1288:
https://admiralcloudberg.medium.com/written-in-metal-the-sto...
If one engine fails, you have another. If the second fails, you glide.
Since 1953, there have been less than 50 airline flights that have required gliding:
* https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_airline_flights_that_r...
Per the usual trope-y statistic: if you want a safe trip for your vacation, don't drive to the airport (which would be the riskiest leg of the journey).
Plus regulatory agencies have decided two-engine aircraft can make long over-ocean trips (ETOPS) if they show the FAA a good quality spreadsheet and perform a few trivial tests.
Who are the customers? Customers want cheap flights. Many people in the world can't even afford a plane ticket. And the Airbus A380 Stretch could have carried 1000 passengers. Lets see, I think it is too early for a verdict.
This is a post about the A340, 747, DC-10 (3x engine), and A380 dying (or being already dead). What more verification do you need?
Airlines can and do charge higher air-fares for direct travel.
I said the verdict is not final because things can change:
France’s Plan To Ban Short-Haul Domestic Flights Wins Approval From European Commission https://www.forbes.com/sites/carltonreid/2022/12/03/frances-...
So if countries start banning short haul domestic flights then the hub model may come back, at least in some countries with decent train transport. Combine this with the price sensitive customers I mentioned, and then I stay by my prediction. The verdict is not final.
Going through small 5-gate airports is a dream as long as they're appropriately staffed at security, which is not just a small airport problem. Going through living nightmares like Denver makes me seriously consider sepukku.
If both flights are nonstop I'd probably pay 20% more for the smaller airport even if the flight itself is longer.
By economy of scale, larger airports should be cheaper. The reason they're not is that regional airports are heavily subsidized.
If air travel subsidies would spontaneously end tomorrow, we'd see a return to the hub- and spoke model, more A380 flights, less 737-MAX8/A320neo demand, lower air travel emissions, and better competitiveness for trains.
The A380 is finished. Dead. Morte. Program over, and never made a profit.
It was a magnificent machine, that no one asked for.
The car that Homer designed, with wings.
This verdict was already decided, everyone went home, and the lights were switched off.
It was just to much, to soon with the wrong engines.
Ticket prices have little to do with how many passengers a plane can carry at once. The A380 failed in large part because it didn't produce lower per-passenger costs than multiple smaller aircraft on the same route. More importantly the hub-and-spoke model isn't necessarily cheaper than direct flights, since a connecting passenger incurs additional costs (extra mileage flown, meaning extra fuel burn, extra employee expense, and much more fixed costs like airport fees and ground handling)
There are situations where a larger plane makes sense - the Japanese domestic flight industry experiences extreme passenger volume, and landing/takeoff slots are constrained, that it makes sense to fly larger planes.
But even that demand can be satisfied by large widebody heavies that aren't the A380, like the A350, 777, or 787.
Super-heavies like the A380 only make sense on routes where the passenger volume is so extreme, and takeoff/landing slots so constrained, that you must carry > 1000 passengers in a single slot. There are almost no route pairs like this in the world.
The A380 is one of my favourite aircraft. I never flew on a 747 and likely never will now, so it's the next best thing I've got for a two-deck experience.
edit: a340s -> a380s
- cost per passenger, and
- number passengers passing per unit of time in airport.
Larger aircraft lose in cost per landing, and time slot length per landing, but when you count per passenger number they can do better.
Longest A340 has fewer seats than the longest 777
But I could see the a340 being the choice for shorter hops where fuel burn is less of a concern
It is just a question of if you can fill the space efficiently.
That is why some of the Hub-and-Spoke Airlines are streaming for a A380NEO
> Customers want smaller aircraft point-to-point travel, not larger spoke–hub travel
Yes, but in the real world many Hub-And-Spoke Airlines are very successful. And with airport extensions and new builds not going up as fast as travel demand, Hub-And-Spoke isn't going anywhere anytime soon. It will become more important.
> if they show the FAA a good quality spreadsheet and perform a few trivial tests.
Its not that easy. There is a reason private jets still have 3 engines, getting certified is to expensive.
They have quite a quirky feature: there are toilets in the cargo hold, with steps leading down to them [0]. I liked it - the area is good for stretching your legs and it was a bit of a social hub.
[0] https://onemileatatime.com/insights/lufthansa-a340-cargo-hol...
I had neither noticed that the many times I flew one, nor known that was meant to be a characteristic of them, but ChatGPT agrees with you here. I think I’d still rather take the better pressurised cabin of the newer models tho
There was a major crash in Canada a while ago, but even then, nobody died.
Take that, Boeing.
The aircraft itself was otherwise mostly common with the A330, which still sells well enough (and is being replaced by the evolved A350).
Partly why A350 didn't go quite as big as 777x.