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Hopefully the EU is not satisfied until the status quo is such that one can program, build, distribute and have their users run native apps without ever entering into a contractual relationship with Apple.

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Why this obsession with native apps? Just put your program online, and now the entire planet can get to it.

Some things you just can't do without a native app, especially on mobile.

iOS now has fully functioning service workers and push notifications for web apps, that was the only thing web apps didn't have that native apps could do?

You can't do TCP and UDP.

Native apps can still do/access a lot more things than a web app. Though now I'm curious: is there any web app that allows Apple Pencil input properly?

> Native apps can still do/access a lot more things than a web app.

Could you even say that they access some core technologies?

Apple doesn't even give you the option to program against the bare metal kernel and a GPU surface so that's a pretty unfair leading question.

If you have the physical device, you can do anything you want with it, Apple can not know what you do and cannot do anything about what you do. Are they obliged to provide you with free systems and technologies to program against the bare metal ?

It's my bare metal, so ... yes?

You have it and can do whatever you want with it. Why should Apple be obliged to provide you with any other services in exchange for nothing?

The OS and its APIs aren't a service, they're a good. A good provided to every iDevice purchaser.

I think if you read the EULA you'll be sadly disillusioned about your rights to use the APIs. You may own the silicon, but you're renting the OS.

I wish there was an amazing desktop / mobile Linux. (Maybe next year lol)

Maybe voice / brainwave powered AI will be able to translate our needs into shell commands which then goes into our contact lens supercomputer running Stallman-approved Linux.

The EULA is probably unconscionable even under the usually contract-friendly US legal system. iOS is already on the phone even before the contract is presented to the user, and per precedent the user has the inherent legal right to use software that comes with purchased hardware.

Core compared to webapps, sure. What are you trying to say?

Since when do web apps on iOS have parity with native apps? Android does a better job, but native apps are always more privileged.

I'm a huge proponent of the web, but Apple shouldn't be able to dictate what stack I use to build an app, especially when they also control what capabilities reach the "open" web platform on their devices.

Web is a shit platform for most apps. Run code natively and locally unless it's simply not feasible.

Can I access to BLE from Web? No I can't so that's the reason why I need native app.

> Can I access to BLE from Web?

sure? It’s just not something supported in the minimal safari implementation, iOS browsers can implement support if they want.

https://apps.apple.com/us/app/bluefy-web-ble-browser/id14928...

Can I do it without user installing additional applications? Because at that point, it would be easier just write my own app, than be dependent on 3rd party app.

why would you write a web browser just to avoid installing an off the shelf one? Seems weird but ok.

Maybe you are “not the average consumer”. But it generally seems like a disingenuous and bad-faith response to avoid challenging your (incorrect) assumptions.

Pretty typical for the topic at this point, unfortunately. The android folk have just veered off into “everyone gets their own version of the facts” territory, can’t count how many people have told me there’s no file browser or that you can’t compile your own apps in macOS etc. The end is all that matters, facts are fungible.

Epistemic closure, basically.

Good question. What is with Apple's obsession with native apps? Why are they gimping web apps every chance they get?

The answer is obvious, of course. To force developers to make native apps so they can steal 30%, or whatever these new ridiculous terms are.

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