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It's currently down but someone archived the page 1 hour ago https://archive.is/cBwU1

Archive.today (/ .is / .ph - though .is has been failing to load for me the last few weeks, I assumed it was a dead domain until your comment) is great for sharing an offline, or paywalled, article or single page.

But for full websites that are more than a single page, the IA's Wayback Machine is even better (if they've got the site archived), because unlike archive.today they crawl links and archive (some of) them too - so for example you can click on links such as "user guide" or "what we want" and see the archived versions of those pages, whereas if you click on them from the archive.today page it hasn't saved them so it tries and fails to do it now.

https://web.archive.org/web/20240430041911/https://only9fans...

IIRC they had issues with a specific DNS resolver - I want to say Googles?

I think it was Cloudflare but you might be right that it was Google - either way, I'm just using default DNS from my ISP, and only had issues for the past few weeks (and only with that one domain, .is not the others - while iirc the known problem with one major DNS provider was due to some choice of DNS setting that means all archive.today domains are affected not just one/some.)

No matter which upstream DNS you use, if you have a local resolver, you might be able to configure it to resolve archive domains with google's dns, which has consistently worked for me for years.

If you use dnsmasq (either bundled inside pihole or not), this line in its config will make it use google dns to resolve archive.is and archive.ph:

  server=/archive.is/archive.ph/8.8.8.8

I started using blocky instead of pihole recently, and I have this in my blocky config.yaml to do the same thing:

  conditional:
    fallbackUpstream: false
    mapping:
      archive.is: 8.8.8.8,8.8.4.4
      archive.ph: 8.8.8.8,8.8.4.4

Actually, all resolvers that hide the EDNS Client Subnet

It's with Cloudflare's resolver

it's been dns-blocked by serveral isp's

why?

also: source?

SonicWall were classifying it as "Extremism" at one point. Presumably something unsavoury has been archived, and it's just been blanket blocked.

I've never heard of an ISP called "SonicWall"; in what geographical area do they operate a network?

Not having heard of them is understandable, I hadn't either, but the reason people have been downvoting you is that it took you longer to write out that comment than it would have taken to do a quick google and see there's a wikipedia page that starts with "SonicWall is an American cybersecurity company that sells a range of Internet appliances primarily directed at content control and network security."

But @sambazi's comment talks about ISPs doing the blocking.

Yes of course, internet appliances are capable of DNS-blocking whatever their operators tell them to block. This is not news to me, nor to anybody else reading Hacker News.

Also the vendor of this appliance does not classify things as "Extremism". The owner/operator of the appliance does those things. Claiming that "SonicWall is classifying it as Extremism" is like claiming that "Intel marked your email as spam" because your SMTP server uses an Intel CPU.

the point is that most isp's use 3rd party blocklists (sometimes by government mandate) and chedabob gave a source of one popular vendor doing just that

SonicWall does not publish blocklists either.

I'm still seeking a source here.

SonicWall maintain their own content filter list for their products: https://www.sonicwall.com/support/knowledge-base/content-fil...

I was suggesting it had been incorrectly classified previously by a single vendor, presumably in response to a report (or a court order) for a single page. There's no nuance to the filtering, so the whole site gets blocked.

It happens regularly for Imgur: Someone posts CSAM, and the whole site gets added to Cleanfeed (the UK ISP level filter) for a couple of hours until the original image is removed.

*reposting workaround:

If this is a DNS issue (e.g. CloudFlare blocked due to refusing to send DNS location). Just put the IPs in your hosts file, it's easy. https://dns.google/query?name=archive.ph

90.156.209.190 archive.ph

90.156.209.190 archive.today

90.156.209.190 archive.is

90.156.209.190 archive.md

90.156.209.190 archive.fo

It changes every few months.

please, for the love of god, don't regress to manual hosts curation ...

The 9front people have always been a funny bunch. I've always wanted to use plan9 tools seriously partially because of their websites and docs are so amusing but I never could get past just running it in a vm.

Sexy time videos from the maintainers might just be what gets me to switch my daily driver to plan9!

I've always felt that Linus didn't show enough skin.

Acme is genuinely worth trying, you can run it on Linux/Mac without a VM [1]. I'm pretty sure Russ Cox [2] and Rob Pike use it as their daily driver which is insane because it doesn't even have syntax highlighting. I used it for years when I was in school as an exercise in masochism, but I learned a lot about Unix, and the mouse-driven workflow actually grew on me. I hated that it required a 3-button mouse though, made trackpads basically unusable.

[1]: https://9fans.github.io/plan9port/

[2]: https://usesthis.com/interviews/russ.cox/

Macbook trackpads work fine combined with control/option/command as three buttons. I put the metal screen for devdraw together initially.

It should work similarly on X11, though I never tried.

That's not an accident, Rob Pike famously hates syntax highlighting, he's derided it as "childish" on multiple occasions.

Wow, that reeks of arrogance.

I don't think Pike ever gets accused of arrogance being off brand for him.

More than "made by people who avoid browsers" does?

Netsurf works fine under 9front.

I don't doubt there are browsers available, I was quoting from/commenting on something in the link.

I'm not that far behind him but on the basis that syntax highlighting is sometimes completely wrong. That leads to a lot of head scratching when it turns out the highlighting engine is wrong and the code is not. Of course this is because a lot of the engines use naive regex to do the highlighting rather than a parser.

Calling it childish is a little wrong though for sure.

it reeks of Rob Pike ;)

The guy built a programming language in the 2010's by ignoring everything that happened in the computer science community since his heyday, and tried to spin it as an improvement.

The ways people found to circumvent his hubris are pretty entertaining [1].

[1]: https://www.reddit.com/r/rust/comments/5penft/parallelizing_...

Your comment it's utterly wrong.

Go's backstory dates back to Alef/Inferno and Plan9, and tangentally related to Plan9's C compiler suite.

If any, Go was born to replace C/POSIX and all the bloat which grew up over 40, (forty) years. The same with 9front with Unix, which is closer to the Unix philosophy than any close relative, such as OpenBSD. Everything it's a file under 9front, even the windows themselves.

Rust wants to replace C++ mainly.

Go was born to replace C/POSIX → by ignoring everything that happened in the computer science community since [its] heyday

You have to admit that quoting 1 Corinthians in an argument about text editors is pretty funny.

Let me guess: 1 Cor 13:11?

I can't not quote that in a Cereal Killer voice now.

Angry fruit salad

> Acme is genuinely worth trying,

What makes it better than say vi and not just different?

Its take on how to use the mouse is quite unique. Not for everyone but worth trying.

Different can be better or worse depending on the user. What makes Vim better than emacs and not just different?

I think that expression was that poster’s way of asking what are Acme’s unique but _useful_ features.

It can also update your certificates.

So name broken links in the uses this.com interview

... pardon?

I think they mean "Some broken links in the usesthis.com interview". Some of the commercial product links are broken, which is hardly surprising in an interview from 2011 about technology.

Just installed it. Any tips for what the interesting features are? The one that stood out from the video linked to in another comment was running any selected text as commands.

I still use Acme as my daily driver, with a good smattering of Sam on my vertical monitor for various things. About 90% of my scripts are written in rc or use the tools in $PLAN9/bin (awk, sed, seq, etc.)

It gives me good consistency between Mac and Linux (or WSL), so I highly recommend plan9port as a gateway to plan9 and 9front.

It runs well natively; but for older systems, I'd suggest running this first once you get an internet connection before inst/start:

    % webfs
    % ramfs
    % hget http://plan9.stanleylieber.com/rc/mountcwfs >/tmp/mountcwfs
    % chmod +x /tmp/mountcwfs
    % bind /tmp/mountcwfs /bin/inst/mountcwfs

Then, at preppart:

     > d other
     > d fscache
     > d fsworm
     > a fsmain [first free cylinder] .+100%
     > w
     > q

Could always just try Inferno

That hasn't seen so much as even a patch in years

Yeah but it is fire.

I wonder what the original plan9 designers ken thompson, robe pike etc think of the 9front people.

Maybe find them amusing - or happy to see their creation being pushed forward

That page loads one line at the time. I know plan9 should be very cluster friendly, can't they balance incoming http traffic load across multiple nodes?

Rc may not be web scale.

Looks like the Internet Archive got a copy, mirror: https://web.archive.org/web/20240430041911/https://only9fans...

Figured it was HN hug of death, saw "9front", immediately made sense.

For scatalogical humor they missed an opportunity to launch on gishub

Is anyone running 9 as a daily driver? What hardware is suggested?

You can run plan9 on any hardware that supports x86, VESA and has a nominal (32MB) amount of memory. It's not a complex system and doesn't really leverage any hardware acceleration, so you don't gain too much from specific hardware, beyond a supported Ethernet card.

That being said, I don't know anyone that daily drives it, beyond maybe a few members of the team itself.

Not daily, but I remember reading quite a bunch about plan9 on the HundredRabbits website. That's how I was introduced to the OS.

Found a minor mention of it on the Wayback Machine: http://web.archive.org/web/20221114163056/https://100r.co/si...

OnlyHaters is an interesting idea, and it seems it actually exists.

website that cant even handle 9 visitors

(shithub admin here)

We ran out at probably over a thousand concurrent accesses.

Not much, but it is served with a shell script on a pretty small dual core vultr node.

For whatever reason, it seems like a few months ago we also attracted the attention of some poorly behaved spiders and script kiddies, so at the moment we're serving a quarter terabyte per month on average (not including the HN bump).