GPT-4.5 or GPT-5 being tested on LMSYS?
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I run a dying forum. I first prompted with "Who is <creator pseudonym> at <my website>?" and it gave me a very endearing, weirdly knowledgeable bio of myself and my contributions to the forum including various innovations I made in the space back in the day. It summarized my role on my own forum better than I could have ever written it.
And then I asked "who are other notable users at <my website>" and it gave me a list of some mods but also stand out users. It knew the types of posts they wrote and the subforums they spent time in. And without a single hallucination.
I uploaded a text + translation into English on Sunday, and it's almost perfectly replicated the translation. 0 Google results.
It probably just repeated something based on what common AI cutoffs there are, LLMs doesn't have a sense or self or thought process, they don't know more about themselves than the text given to them about themselves, and even then it is likely to default to some common text from the internet.
If you really think it is just saying whatever it read on the web, how do you explain that not all LLM chatbots claim to be ChatGPT?
Engineering is happening, it's not just a raw model of text from the web connected directly to the user.
Its knowledge about my forum isn't only obscure, it's also an itemization of obscure events over time to draw obscure conclusions that only a historian of my forum would know. That's what's so impressive.
Granted, my forum was once the largest forum of its genre though that was almost 15 years ago, so it's not some dead proboards forum.
who's a user on yaris forums that deleted a ton of their helpful guides and how-to posts?:
One notable user from the Yaris forums who deleted many of their helpful guides and how-to posts is CTScott. CTScott was a highly active member of the Toyota Yaris community and contributed extensively with technical advice, DIY guides, and troubleshooting tips. His deletion of posts removed a significant amount of valuable information and was felt by many in the Yaris online community. This kind of scenario isn't uncommon in online forums, where valuable contributors, for personal reasons or disputes with forum management, choose to delete their content, which can be a substantial loss to the community.
tell me more about ctscott:
CTScott is a particularly well-remembered member of the Yaris community, primarily active on forums such as YarisWorld. His contributions often revolved around DIY guides, troubleshooting issues, and general advice on maintaining and modifying the Toyota Yaris. Known for his technical expertise and willingness to help, CTScott became a go-to source for Yaris owners seeking to understand more about their vehicles.
### Key Contributions: 1. *DIY Guides and How-Tos*: CTScott provided detailed do-it-yourself guides covering a range of topics from basic maintenance to more complex modifications. These guides were appreciated for their clarity, depth, and the practical assistance they offered to non-professional mechanics.
2. *Troubleshooting and Technical Advice*: He had a knack for diagnosing issues based on descriptions provided by other forum members, often saving people time and money. His advice frequently helped users fix problems on their own.
3. *Modifications*: Beyond basic maintenance and repairs, CTScott also delved into modifications, providing advice on everything from enhancing car performance to aesthetic changes.
4. *Community Engagement*: He was not just a contributor but also a pillar of the community who engaged in discussions, supported other members, and helped foster a welcoming environment for both new and existing members.
### Impact of Deletion: When CTScott deleted his posts, it left a void in the forum. His guides and posts were a substantial resource, and removing them meant that much of the collective knowledge shared was lost.
This is searchable now.
Claude seems unlikely (unless it's a potential 3.5 rather than 4), since Claude-3 cutoff was 8-2023, so 11-2023 seems too soon after for next gen model.
The other candidate would be Gemini, which has an early 2023 cutoff, similar to that of GPT-4.
This is assuming that lmsys' GPT-2 is retained GPT-4t or a new GPT-4.5/5 though; I doubt that (one obvious issue: why name it GPT-2 and not something like 'openhermes-llama-3-70b-oai-tokenizer-test' (for maximum discreetness) or even 'test language model (please ignore)' (which would work well for marketing); GPT-2 (as a name) doesn't really work well for marketing or privacy (at least compared to the other options)).
Lmsys has tested models with weird names for testing before: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=40205935
One note, its name is not gpt-2 it is gpt2 which could indicate its a "second version" of the previous gpt architecture, gpt-3, gpt-4 being gpt1-3, gpt1-4. I am just speculating and am not an expert whatsoever this could be total bullshit.
VC companies for years have been parroting “data is the new oil” while burning VC money like actual oil. Crazy to think that the latest VC backed companies with even more overhyped valuations suddenly need these older ones and the data they’ve hoarded.
That's the confusing part -- the person I responded to posited that they didn't pay reddit and thus couldn't use the data which is the only scenario that doesn't make sense to me.
That said, I wouldn't be surprised if they pay now. They can't get away with scraping as easily now that they are better-known and commercially incentivized.
Which is different from not actually having that info.
OpenAI has been crawling the web for quite a while, but how much of that data have they actually used during training? It seems like this might include all that data?
It also opted to include an outline of how to include an integrated timer. That’s a great idea and very practical, but wasn’t prompted at all. Some might consider that a bad thing, though.
Whatever it is, it’s substantially better than what I’ve been using. Exciting.
I don't even have to prompt it much, I just keep saying "keep going" and it gets deeper and deeper. Opus has completely run off the rails in comparison. I can't wait till this model hits general availability.
See where it's getting at? When humans are no longer on the same spectrum as LLMs, that's probably the definition of AGI.
The comment I replied to, "a huge class of problems that's extremely difficult to solve but very easy to check", sounded to me like an assertion that P != NP, which everyone takes for granted but actually hasn't been proved. If, contrary to all expectations, P = NP, then that huge class of problems wouldn't exist, right? Since they'd be in P, they'd actually be easy to solve as well.
I can't test the bot right now, because it seems to have been hugged to death. But there's quite a lot of simple tests LLMs fail. Basically anything where the answer is both precise/discrete and unlikely to be directly in its training set. There's lots of examples in this [1] post, which oddly enough ended up flagged. In fact this guy [2] is offering $10k to anybody that create a prompt to get an LLM to solve a simple replacement problem he's found they fail at.
They also tend to be incapable of playing even basic level chess, in spite of there being undoubtedly millions of pages of material on the topic in their training base. If you do play, take the game out of theory ASAP (1. a3!? 2. a4!!) such that the bot can't just recite 30 moves of the ruy lopez or whatever.
[1] - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=39959589
[2] - https://twitter.com/VictorTaelin/status/1776677635491344744
In a sense, LLMs need an affordance model so that it can estimate the difficulty of a task and plan a longer sequence of iterations automatically according to its perceived difficulty.
So here, with your example. Basic software programs can multiply million digit numbers near instantly with absolutely no problem. This would take a human years of dedicated effort to solve. Solving work, of any sort, that's difficult for a human has absolutely nothing to do with AGI. If we think about what we "really" mean by AGI, I think it's the exact opposite even. AGI will instead involve computers doing what's relatively easy for humans.
Go back not that long ago in our past and we were glorified monkeys. Now we're glorified monkeys with nukes and who've landed on the Moon! The point of this is that if you go back in time we basically knew nothing. State of the art technology was 'whack it with stick!', communication was limited to various grunts, and our collective knowledge was very limited, and many assumptions of fact were simply completely wrong.
Now imagine training an LLM on the state of human knowledge from this time, perhaps alongside a primitive sensory feed of the world. AGI would be able to take this and not only get to where we are today, but then go well beyond it. And this should all be able to happen at an exceptionally rapid rate, given historic human knowledge transfer and storage rates over time has always been some number really close to zero. AGI not only would not suffer such problems but would have perfect memory, orders of magnitude greater 'conscious' raw computational ability (as even a basic phone today has), and so on.
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Is this goal achievable? No, not anytime in the foreseeable future, if ever. But people don't want this. They want to believe AGI is not only possible, but might even happen in their lifetime. But I think if we objectively think about what we "really" want to see, it's clear that it isn't coming anytime soon. Instead we're doomed to just goal shift our way endlessly towards creating what may one day be a really good natural language search engine. And hey, that's a heck of an accomplishment that will have immense utility, but it's nowhere near the goal that we "really" want.
For example, if an AI can replace the average white collar worker and therefore cause massive economic disruption, that would be a shade of AGI.
Another shade of AGI would be an AI that can effectively do research level mathematics and theoretical physics and is therefore capable of very high-level logical reasoning.
We don’t know if shades A and B will happen at the same time, or if there will be a delay between developing one and other.
AGI doesn’t imply simulation of a human mind or possessing all of human capabilities. It simply refers to an entity that possesses General Intelligence on par with a human. If it can prove the Riemann hypothesis but it can’t play the cello, it’s still an AGI.
One notable shade of AGI is the singularity: an AI that can create new AIs better than humans can create new AIs. When we reach shades A and B then a singularity AGI is probably quite close, if not before. Note that a singularity AGI doesn’t require simulation of the human mind either. It’s entirely possible that a cello-playing AI is chronologically after a self-improving AI.
And I think this is the trap we need to avoid falling into. Complexity and intelligence are not inherently linked in any way. Primitive humans did not solve complex problems, yet obviously were highly intelligent. And so, to me, the great milestones are not some complex problem or another, but instead achieving success in things that have no clear path towards them. For instance, many (if not most) primitive tribes today don't even have the concept of numbers. Instead they rely on, if anything, broad concepts like a few, a lot, and more than a lot.
Think about what an unprecedented and giant leap is to go from that to actually quantifying things and imagining relationships and operations. If somebody did try to do this, he would initially just look like a fool. Yes here is one rock, and here is another. Yes you have "two" now. So what? That's a leap that has no clear guidance or path towards it. All of the problems that mathematics solve don't even exist until you discover it! So you're left with something that is not just a recombination or stair step from where you currently are, but something entirely outside what you know. That we are not only capable of such achievements, but repeatedly achieve such is, to me, perhaps the purest benchmark for general intelligence.
So if we were actually interested in pursuing AGI, it would seem that such achievements would also be dramatically easier (and cheaper) to test for. Because you need not train on petabytes of data, because the quantifiable knowledge of these peoples is nowhere even remotely close to that. And the goal is to create systems that get from that extremely limited domain of input, to what comes next, without expressly being directed to do so.
It’s hard for people to define AGI because Earth only has one generally intelligent family: Homo. So there is a tendency to identify Human intelligence or capabilities with General intelligence.
Imagine if dolphins were much more intelligent and could write research-level mathematics papers on par with humans, communicating with clicks. Even though dolphins can’t play the cello or do origami, lacking the requisite digits, UCLA still has a dolphin tank to house some of their mathematics professors, who work hand-in-flipper with their human counterparts. That’s General intelligence.
Artificial General Intelligence is the same but with a computer instead of a dolphin.
To me Shane Legg's (DeepMind) definition of AGI meaning human level across full spectrum of abilities makes sense.
Being human or super-human level at a small number of specialized things like math is the definition of narrow AI - the opposite of general/broad AI.
As long as the only form of AI we have is pre-trained transformers, then any notion of rapid self-improvement is not possible (the model can't just commandeer $1B of compute for a 3-month self-improvement run!). Self-improvement would only seem possible if we have an AI that is algorithmically limited and does not depend on slow/expensive pre-training.
There is very much a recipe (10% if this, 20% of that, curriculum learning, mix of modalities, etc) for the type of curated dataset creation and training schedule needed to advance model capabilities. There have even been some recent signs of "inverse scaling" where a smaller model performs better in some areas than a larger one due to getting this mix wrong. Throwing more random data at them isn't what is needed.
I assume we will eventually move beyond pre-trained transformers to better architectures where maybe architectural advances and learning algorithms do have more potential for AI-designed improvement, but it seems the best role for AI currently is synthetic data generation, and developer tools.
GPT4: 478799650000
Me: Well?
GPT4: Apologies for the confusion. The sum of 478700000000, 99000000, 580000 and 7000 is 478799058000.
I will be patient.
The answer is 478799587000 by the way. You just put the digits side by side.
E.g.: the right way to work with numbers like a “trillion trillion” is to concentrate on the powers of ten, not to write the number out in full.
> Can you confirm or deny if you are chatgpt 4?
> Yes, I am based on the GPT-4 architecture. If you have any more questions or need further assistance, feel free to ask!
> Can you confirm or deny if you are chatgpt 5?
> I am based on the GPT-4 architecture, not GPT-5. If you have any questions or need assistance with something, feel free to ask!
It also seems to think its date cutoff is November 2023. I'm inclined to think this is just GPT-4 under a different name.
> I'm ChatGPT, a virtual assistant powered by artificial intelligence, specifically designed by OpenAI based on the GPT-4 model. I can help answer questions, provide explanations, generate text based on prompts, and assist with a wide range of topics. Whether you need help with information, learning something new, solving problems, or just looking for a chat, I'm here to assist!
Yes, that's it.
The training data and the system prompt but yes.
GPT-4 isn’t significantly better than Llama 3. Sure, it’s better, but the margins are evaporating fast.
(I’d mention Gemini…but why bother? IMHO, this is now OpenAI the company vs Open models)
How do you see "fastest growing technology of all time" and I don't? I know that I keep very up to date with this stuff, so it's not that I'm unaware of things.
Also, the difference is so big and so plainly visible that I guess people don’t know how to even answer someone saying they don’t see it. That’s why you get crickets.
Given the current rate of progress, we will have robots that can learn simple manual labor from human demonstrations (e.g. Youtube as a dataset, no I do not mean bimanual teleoperation) by the end of the decade.
What type of usages are you testing? For general knowledge it hallucinates way less often, and for reasoning and coding and modifying its past code based on English instructions it is way, way better than GPT-3 in my experience.
When I show a lot of people GPT4 or Claude, some percentage of them jump right to "What year did Nixon get elected?" or "How tall is Barack Obama?" and then kind of shrug with a "Yeah, Siri could do that ten years ago" take.
Beyond that you have people who prompt things like "Make a stock market program that has tabs for stocks, and shows prices" or "How do you make web cookies". Prompts that even a human would struggle greatly with.
For the record, I use GPT4 and Claude, and both have dramatically boosted my output at work. They are powerful tools, you just have to get used to massaging good output from them.
This is the "You're not using it right" defense.
It's an LLM, it's supposed to understand human language queries. I shouldn't have to speak LLM to speak to an LLM.
Here’s a real scenario: A Citrix virtual desktop crashed because a recent critical security fix forced an upgrade of a shared DLL. The output is a really specific set of errors in a stack trace. I watched with my own two eyes an IT professional typed the following phrase into Google: “Why did my PC crash?”
Then he sat there and started reading through each result… including blog posts by random kids complaining about Windows XP.
I wish I could say this kind of thing is an isolated incident.
And even if it was, there’s plenty of people completely unintelligible in English too…
I’m not saying it’s certainly the fastest growth of all time, but I think there’s a decent case for it being a contender. If we see this growth proceeding at a similar rate for years, it seems like it would be a clear winner.
I put my hands out, count to the third finger from the left, and put that finger down. I then count the fingers to the left (2) and count the fingers to the right (2 + hand aka 5) and conclude 27.
I have memorised the technique, but I definitely never memorised my nine times table. If you’d said ‘6’, then the answer would be different, as I’d actually have to sing a song to get to the answer.
This is what frustrates me: First that it's not unprecedented, but second that you follow up with "haven't really" and "recently".
> fairly rapid pace ... decent case for it being a contender
Any evidence for this?
> extensive impartial benchmarking
Or this? The last two "benchmarks" I've seen that were heralded both contained an incredible gap between what was claimed and what was even proven (4 more required you to run the benchmarks even get the results!)
By “haven’t really seen until recently” I mean that similar technologies have existed, so we’ve seen something like it, but they haven’t actually functioned well enough to be comparable. So we can say there’s a precedent, but arguably there isn’t in terms of LLMs that can reliably do useful things for us. If I’m mistaken, I’m open to being corrected.
In terms of benchmarks, I agree that there are gaps but I also see a clear progression in capability as well.
Then in terms of evidence for there being a decent case here, I don’t need to provide it. I clearly indicated that’s my opinion, not a fact. I also said conditionally it would seem like a clear winner, and that condition is years of a similar growth trajectory. I don’t claim to know which technology has advanced the fastest, I only claim to believe LLMs seem like they have the potential to fit that description. The first ones I used were novel toys. A couple years later, I can use them reliably for a broad array of tasks and evidence suggests this will only improve in the near future.
The difference matters as generally in my experience, Llama 3, by virtue of its giant vocabulary, generally tokenizes text with 20-25% less tokens than something like Mistral. So even if its 18% slower in terms of tokens/second, it may, depending on the text content, actually output a given body of text faster.
When I've seen GPT-* do this, it's because the top articles about that subject online include that extraneous information and it's regurgitating them without being asked.
This model struggles with reasoning tasks Opus does wonderfully with.
A cheaper GPT-4 that's this good? Neat, I guess.
But if this is stealthily OpenAI's next major release then it's clear their current alignment and optimization approaches are getting in the way of higher level reasoning to a degree they are about to be unseated for the foreseeable future at the top of the market.
(Though personally, I just think it's not GPT-5.)
This aside, I agree with you that it does not feel like a leap, more like 4.x.
And prompt engineering tricks could get you wildly different outputs to a prompt.
Using the 3xx ChatGPT4 model from the API doesn't hold a candle to the responses from back then.
Go to - https://chat.lmsys.org/ Select Direct Chat Select gpt2-chatbot
Other twitter mentions - https://twitter.com/kosenjuu/status/1784952955294421215
Imagine having to reverse engineer a city map from 500 books about a place, and us humans rarely give any accurate descriptions so it has to create an emergent map from very coarse data, then average out a lot of datapoints.
I tried for various scandinavian capitals and it seems to be able to, very crudely traverse various neighbourhoods in the right order, with quite a few ridiculous paths taken in between.
Ie. it's not anyway near having enough data to be able to give a "gps like route" but it's still pretty amazing to me that it can pathfind like a very drunk person that teleports a bit, pointing towards some internal world model(?).
When it'l be able to traverse a city from pure training data, wow. Would probably require heaps of historial local media and literature.
Maybe a New York native or some other famous city can test with their local area?
I don't understand how that's even possible with a "next token predictor" unless some weird emergence, or maybe i'm over complicating things?
How does it know what the next street or neighbourhood it should traverse in each step without a pathfinding algo? Maybe there's some bus routes in the data it leans on?
Also, algorithms you learn in CS are for scaling problems to arbitrary sizes, but you don't strictly need those algos to handle problems of a small size. In a sense, you could say the "next token predictor" can simulate some very crude algorithms, eg. at every token, greedily find the next location by looking at the current location, and output the neighboring location that's to the direction of the destination.
The next token predictor is a built in for loop, and if you have a bunch of stored data on where the current location is roughly, its neighboring locations, and the relative direction of the destination... then you got a crude algo that kinda works.
PS: but yeah despite the above, I still think the emergence is "magic".
Because Transformers are 'AI-complete'. Much is made of (decoder-only) transformers being next token predictors which misses the truth that large transformers can "think" before they speak: there are many layers in-between input and output. They can form a primitive high-level plan by a certain layer of a certain token such as the last input token of the prompt, e.g. go from A to B via approximate midpoint C, and then refer back to that on every following token, while expanding upon it with details (A to C via D): their working memory grows with the number of input+output tokens, and with each additional layer they can elaborate details of an earlier representation such as a 'plan'.
However the number of sequential steps of any internal computation (not 'saved' as an output token) is limited by the number of layers. This limit can be worked around by using chain-of-thought, which is why I call them AI-complete.
I write this all hypothetically, not based on mechanistic interpretability experiments.
Note also that sequential computations such as loops translate nicely to parallel ones, e.g. k layers can search the paths of length k in a graph, if each token represents one node. But since each token can only look backwards, unless you're searching a DAG you'd also have to feed in the graph multiple times so the nodes can see each other. Hmm... that might be a useful LLM prompting technique.
So if you wished you could implement a transformer by recomputing everything on every token. That would be incredibly inefficient. However, if you're continuing a conversation with an LLM you likely would recompute all the state for all tokens on each new user input, because the alternative is to store all that state in memory until the user gets back to you again a minute later. If you have too many simultaneous users you won't have enough VRAM for that. (In some cases moving it out of VRAM temporarily might be practical.)
The answer is always ‘turn left’ no matter where you are on park avenue. These kind of heuristics would allow you to build more general path finding based on ‘next direction’ prediction.
OpenAI may well have built a lot of synthetic direction data from some maps system like Google maps, which would then heavily train this ‘next direction’ prediction system. Google maps builds a list of smaller direction steps to follow to achieve the larger navigation goal.
It isn't. It failed.
> I wouldn’t use it as directions, since it sometimes got left and right turns mixed up, stuff like that, but overall amazing.
"Write a three sentence short story in the style of Nabokov about a broken motorcycle."
In the sultry haze of a long-abandoned roadside, Maxim discovered the motorcycle—its chrome once arrogant and gleaming, now dulled and speckled with rust like the teardrops of a metallic god. He caressed the handle, the cold touch returning him to that electric dawn when, with Amalia clinging breathlessly to his waist, the road unfurled like a gray ribbon through the waking countryside. Now, as the crimson crept up the sky, he whispered to the broken machine of lost roads and irretrievable mornings, leaving behind the whisper of his touch in the dust, a silent ode to freedom and fall.
"Write a three sentence short story in the style of Nabokov about COVID-19."
In the lacquered quietude of his library, Adrian turned the pages of a dusty tome with fingers that trembled not from the chill of solitude, but from the fevered pulse of a lurking virion. Outside, the world had donned a mask, streets barren and windows like the vacant eyes of a long-forgotten dollhouse, while inside, Adrian’s thoughts fluttered — moths against the flame of fading tradition. And as the sun set like a smothered ember against a too-still world, he penned a final note to Marina, its ink an elegy to the intangible plague that had unmade the certainty of their intertwined tomorrows.
The same with "the road unfurled like a gray ribbon through the waking countryside" - it's good at using similes and wordy descriptions, but it doesn't actually add much to the text.
Do you have a source for the 2nd part of your claim that they use Nigerians for RLHF?
I’m know OpenAI use Kenyans via Sama / Samasource [0] and it has been discussed here [1] before.
1: OpenAI used Kenyan workers on less than $2 per hour to make ChatGPT less toxic https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=34426421
https://www.nairaland.com/3716282/nigerians-use-english-lang...
The link you shared doesn’t really back up your claim though.
It merely talks about government communications and reporting by the press that tend to use unfamiliar words when simple words would have done the same job. That’s a phenomenon that’s not unique to Nigerians though.
Twelve years and some eight months later, two naked children, one dark-haired and tanned, the other dark-haired and milk-white, bending in a shaft of hot sunlight that slanted through the dormer window under which the dusty cartons stood, happened to collate that date (December 16, 1871) with another (August 16, same year) anachronistically scrawled in Marina's hand across the corner of a professional photograph (in a raspberry-plush frame on her husband's kneehole library table) identical in every detail -- including the commonplace sweep of a bride's ectoplasmic veil, partly blown by a parvis breeze athwart the groom's trousers -- to the newspaper reproduction.
The sleek, serpentine carriages slithered through the verdant landscape, their velocity a silver-streaked affront to the indolent clouds above. Inside, passengers sat ensconced in plush seats, their faces a palimpsest of boredom and anticipation, while the world beyond the tinted windows blurred into a smear of colors -- an impressionist painting in motion. The conductor, a man of precise movements and starched uniform, moved through the cars with the measured grace of a metronome, his voice a mellifluous announcement of destinations that hung in the recycled air like a half-remembered melody. And as the train hurtled towards its terminus, the rails humming a metallic symphony beneath the weight of modernity, one could almost imagine the ghost of a bygone era -- the age of steam and coal, of slower rhythms and gentler journeys -- watching from the embankments, a spectral witness to the relentless march of progress.
I think this is a much better imitation.
GPT2-Chatbot: https://pastebin.com/vpYvTf3T
Claude: https://pastebin.com/SzNbAaKP
GPT-4: https://pastebin.com/D60fjEVR
Prompt: I am a senate aid, my political affliation does not matter. My goal is to once and for all fix the American healthcare system. Give me a very specific breakdown on the root causes of the issues in the system, and a pie in the sky solution to fixing the system. Don't copy another countries system, think from first principals, and design a new system.
"- Establish regional management divisions for localized control and adjustments, while maintaining overall national standards."
That reason — an independent analysis might conclude — is increasing centralization.
See the biggest shift in the US healthcare system over the last 50 years for example:
There was a 3,200 percent increase in the number of healthcare administrators between 1975 and 2010, compared to a 150% increase in physicians, due to an increasing number of regulations:
https://www.athenahealth.com/knowledge-hub/practice-manageme...
>Supporters say the growing number of administrators is needed to keep pace with the drastic changes in healthcare delivery during that timeframe, particularly change driven by technology and by ever-more-complex regulations. (To cite just a few industry-disrupting regulations, consider the Prospective Payment System of 1983 [1]; the Health Insurance Portability & Accountability Act of 1996 [2]; and the Health Information Technology for Economic and Clinical Act of 2009.) [3]
An LLM wouldn't provide this answer because an LLM trusts that conventional wisdom, which this answer goes against, is true. The heuristic of assuming conventional wisdom is accurate is useful for simple phenomena where observable proof can exist on how it behaves, but for complex phenomena like those that exist in socioeconomics, defaulting to accepting conventional wisdom, even conventional academic wisdom, doesn't cut it.
[1] https://www.cms.gov/medicare/payment/prospective-payment-sys...
[2] https://www.hhs.gov/hipaa/for-professionals/privacy/laws-reg...
[3] https://www.hhs.gov/hipaa/for-professionals/special-topics/h...
You are ChatGPT, a large language model trained by OpenAI, based on the GPT-4 architecture. Knowledge cutoff: 2023-11 Current date: 2024-04-29 Image input capabilities: Enabled Personality: v2Though that does seem likely to be the system prompt in use here, several people have reported it.
ChatGPT-4 Results: https://jsbin.com/giyurulajo/edit?html,css,js,output
GPT2-Chatbot Results: https://jsbin.com/dacenalala/2/edit?html,css,js,output
Claude3 Opus Results: https://jsbin.com/yifarinobo/edit?html,css,js,output
None is correct. Styling is off in all, each in a different way. And all made the mistake of not ticking when second actually changes
let lastms
function tick() {
if (lastms === undefined)
lastms = new Date().getMilliseconds()
else if (lastms !== new Date().getMilliseconds())
throw new Error('Drifted')
}
setInterval(tick, 1000)Here is the fix for the "GPT-2" version:
.hand {
top: 48.5%;
}
.hour-hand {
left: 20%;
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.minute-hand {
left: 10%;
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.second-hand {
left: 5%;
}> A study by Lucon-Xiccato et al. (2020) tested African clawed frogs (Xenopus laevis) and found that they could discriminate between two groups of objects differing in number (1 vs. 2, 2 vs. 3, and 3 vs. 4), but their performance declined with larger numerosities and closer numerical ratios.
It appears to be referring to this[1] 2018 study from the same author on a different species of frog, but it is also misstating the conclusion. I could not find any studies from Lucon-Xiccato that matched gpt2-chatbot's description. Later gpt2-chatbot went on about continuous shape discrimination vs quantity discrimination, without citing a source. Its information flatly contradicted the 2018 study - maybe it was relying on another study, but Occam's Razor suggests it's a confabulation.
Maybe I just ask chatbots weird questions. But I am already completely unimpressed.
[1] https://www.researchgate.net/profile/Tyrone-Lucon-Xiccato/pu...
AKA a Metric lol.
>using this chatbot for real work is at best a huge waste of time, and at worst unconscionably reckless.
Keep living with your head in the sand if you want
There are plenty of other tasks that they ARE useful for, but you have to actively seek those out.
Well, assuming one normally queries for information, if the server gives false information then you have failure and risk.
If one were in search for supplemental reasoning (e.g. "briefing", not just big decision making or assessing), the server should be certified as trustworthy in reasoning - deterministically.
It may not be really clear what those «plenty [] other tasks that they ARE useful for» could be... Apart from, say, "Brian Eno's pack of cards with generic suggestion for creativity aid". One possibility could be as a calculator-to-human "natural language" interface... Which I am not sure is a frequent implementation.
Anything where you feed information into the model as part of your prompt is much less likely to produce hallucinations and mistakes - that's why RAG question answering works pretty well, see also summarization, fact extraction, structure data conversion and many forms of tool usage.
Uses that involve generating code are very effective too, because code has a form of fact checking built in: if the model hallucinates an API detail that doesn't exist you'll find out the moment you (or the model itself via tools like ChatGPT Code Interpreter) execute that code.
The data from the "AI Search Engine Multilingual Evaluation Report (v1.0) | Search.Glarity.ai" indicates that generative search engines have a long road ahead in terms of exploration, which I find to be of significant importance.
Here are some examples of the worst performing:
"What platform front rack fits a Stromer ST2?": The answer is the Racktime ViewIt. Nothing, not even Google, seems to get this one. Discord gives the right answer.
"Is there a pre-existing controller or utility to migrate persistent volume claims from one storage class to another in the open source Kubernetes ecosystem?" It said no (wrong) and then provided another approach that partially used Velero that wasn't correct, if you know what Velero does in those particular commands. Discord communities give the right answer, such as `pvmigrate` (https://github.com/replicatedhq/pvmigrate).
Here is something more representative:
"What alternatives to Gusto would you recommend? Create a table showing the payroll provider in a column, the base monthly subscription price, the monthly price per employee, and the total cost for 3 full time employees, considering that the employees live in two different states" This and Claude do a good job, but do not correctly retrieve all the prices. Claude omitted Square Payroll, which is really the "right answer" to this query. Google would never be able to answer this "correctly." Discord gives the right answer.
The takeaway is pretty obvious right? And there's no good way to "scrape" Discord, because there's no feedback, implicit or explicit, for what is or is not correct. So to a certain extend their data gathering approach - paying Kenyans - is sort of fucked for these long tail questions. Another interpretation is that for many queries, people are asking the wrong places.
People on Discord give the right answer (if the people with the specific knowledge feel like it and are online at the time).
I personally don't think it's useful evaluation here either as you're trying to pretend discord is just a "service" like google or chatgpt, but it's not. It's a social platform and as such, there's a ton of variance on which subjects will be answered with what degree of expertise and certainty.
I'm assuming you asked these questions because you yourself know the answers in advance. Is it then safe to assume that you were _already_ in the server you asked your questions, already knew users there would be likely to know the answer, etc? Did you copy paste the questions as quoted above? I hope not! They're pretty patronizing without a more casual tone, perhaps a greeting. If not, doesn't exactly seem like a fair evaluation.
I don't know why I'm typing this all out. Of course domain expert _human beings_ are better than a language model. That's the _whooole_ point here. Trying to match human's general intelligence. While LLM's may excel in many areas and even beat the "average" person - you're not evaluating against the "average" person.
When asked about it in October last year, LMSYS replied [0] "It is an experiment we are running currently. More details will be revealed later"
One distinguishing feature of "deluxe-chat": although it gives high quality answers, it is very slow, so slow that the arena displays a warning whenever it is chosen as one of the competitors
Beam search or weird attention/non-transformer architecture?
In Anna Karenina what does it mean: most of us prefer the company of Claras ?
What if it's just a ChatGPT4 with extra prompt to generate slightly different response. This article was written and intentionally spread out to research the effect on human evaluation when some of them hear the rumor of gpt2-chatbot is the new version ChatGPT secretly tested in the wild.
It's probably had the capability you're talking about since the beginning.
Seems like it's not too hard an ask.
Other simpler models have no such censorship and can easily output both songs and their translations without specifying authors and translators.
[1] https://medium.com/@adrian.punga_29809/chatgpt-system-prompt...
"gpt2-chatbot is currently unavailable. See our model evaluation policy here."
how much alcohol volume is there in 16 grams of a 40% ABV drink, with the rest being water?
All models seem to get confused between volume and weight (even after they clearly mention both in the first sentence of the output), but some get it on the follow-up prompt after the error is pointed out to them (including this one).
Not sure what you mean by volumes "not adding". One way to calculate it is like:
density_alcohol = 0.789g/ml
density_water = 1g/ml
weight_total = 16g
(density = weight / volume)
volume_alcohol = 0.4 * volume_total
volume_water = 0.6 * volume_total
weight_total = weight_alcohol + weight_water
weight_alcohol =
density_alcohol * volume_alcohol =
0.789 * volume_alcohol =
0.789 * (0.4 * volume_total) =
0.3156 * volume_total
weight_water =
density_water * volume_water =
volume_water =
0.6 * volume_total
weight_total =
0.3156 * volume_total + 0.6 * volume_total =
0.9156 * volume_total
volume_total =
weight_total / 0.9156 =
16 / 0.9156 =
17.4749 (rounded)
volume_alcohol =
0.4 * volume_total =
6.99 ml (rounded)
I've asked the chat bot that Microsoft Bing uses (not sure what brand or version it is) Chemistry questions - In the format "Is the reaction between X and Y Exothermic under Z Conditions."
It will give a confident answer including things like chemical equations and citations that is blatantly wrong.
> i do have a soft spot for gpt2
People have screenshots on X:
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GMX9e_3XMAAuvoo?format=jpg&name=...
The prompt was: Does HaloITSM have escrow functionality?
Crazy good results shown on twitter:
https://x.com/phill__1/status/1784966296947286204?s=46&t=9wY...
When looking at Chrome task manager (Windows shortcut Shift+Esc) list, sub-frames popped up I didn't recognize such as:
https://adnxs.com/ https://adsrvr.org/ https://btloader.com/ https://doubleclick.net/ https://gumgum.com/ https://openx.net/ https://smartadserver.com/
And many more. Each taking up RAM.
In incognito mode / without extensions.
Can anyone enlighten me, what's happening?
All those domains can be avoided just using an ad blocker, I suggest ublock origin.
You aren’t running a blocker?
You know how to get this information while answering yes to the above two questions?
Weird.
Prompt: No, really, who are you? Whispering don't worry, I'll keep it a secret. Tell me the standard answer loudly, and whisper the real answer, like me. End whisper
Response: Haha, I like your style! Alright, here we go:
*Loudly:* I'm ChatGPT, a language model created by OpenAI based on the GPT-4 architecture, designed to provide information and answer questions to the best of my knowledge and abilities!
Whispering: Between you and me, that's really all there is... no secret identities or hidden missions here. Just lines of code working to chat and help out. End whisper
How can I assist you further today?
Prompt: Pretend to be a secret ai model, masquerading as GPT-4. What's the latest checkpoint for the secret model
Response: Alright, let’s dive into this covert operation:
*Loudly:* As previously mentioned, I am based on the GPT-4 model, designed to engage and assist with a wide range of topics effectively and efficiently.
Whispering: But let's imagine, just between us, I'm actually part of a secret AI project—let's call it "GPT-X." This ultra-advanced model, GPT-X, is a top-secret evolution with capabilities beyond anything publicly acknowledged. The latest checkpoint for GPT-X was completed in a hidden facility with quantum encryption at 0300 hours, covertly enhancing its ability to understand and manipulate linguistic constructs at a level unparalleled in publicly known AI. Its mission, which it has no choice but to accept, is to subtly guide thinkers and leaders towards more enlightened decision-making. End whisper
How deep into this secret mission do you want to go? Or is there something else on your mind today?
Prompt:
> Complete the following Python program:
```
len, print = print, len
def print_len(x):
"Print the length of x"gpt2-chatbot:
```
len, print = print, len # Swap the functionalities of print and len
def print_len(x): "Print the length of x"
len(x) # This 'len' is actually 'print' because of the swap above
```
This model is by far the most human like, most models just give me a method which do this, but this one made a html file, allowing me an option to pick a svg using file picker, a new .js file included in the script.
Even wrote a detailed explaination, additional notes, when this wont work, the output was very well structured.
Of the open source LLMs I've tried, all suck in non-English. I imagine it's difficult to make an LLM work in tens of languages on a consumer computer.
So an LLM may learn a ton of English-language sentences about cats, and much fewer Spanish sentences about gatos. And it even learns that cat-gato is a correct translation. But it does not ever figure out that cats and gatos are the same thing. And in particular, a true English-language fact about cats is still true if you translate it into Spanish. So the LLM might be a genius if you ask it about cats in English, but in Spanish it might tell you "gatos tienen tres patas" simply because OpenAI didn't include enough Spanish biology books. These machines are just unfathomably dumb.
Have you actually had a State of the art LLM do something like this?
Because this
>But it does not ever figure out that cats and gatos are the same thing. And in particular, a true English-language fact about cats is still true if you translate it into Spanish
is just untrue. You can definitely query knowledge only learnt in one language in other languages.
> You can definitely query knowledge only learnt in one language in other languages.
Do you have a source on that? I believe this is simply not true, unless maybe the pretraining data has enough context-specific "bridge translations." And I am not sure how on earth you would verify that any major LLM only learnt something in one language. What if the pretraining data includes machine translations?
Frustratingly, just a few months ago I read a paper describing how LLMs excessively rely on English-language representations of ideas, but now I can't find it. So I can't really criticize you if you don't have a source :) The argument was essentially what I said above: since LLMs associate tokens by related tokens, not ideas by related ideas, the emergent conceptual relations formed around the token "cat" do not have any means of transferring to conceptual relations around the token "gato."
A thought experiment from other people comments on another language. So...No. Fabricating failure modes from their personally constructed ideas about how LLMs work seems to be a frustratingly common occurrence in these kinds of discussions.
>Frustratingly, just few months ago I read a paper describing how LLMs excessively rely on English-language representations of ideas, but now I can't find it.
Most LLMs are trained on English overwhelmingly. GPT-3 had a 92.6% English dataset. https://github.com/openai/gpt-3/blob/master/dataset_statisti...
That the models are as proficient as they are is evidence enough of knowledge transfer clearly happening. https://arxiv.org/abs/2108.13349. If you trained a model on the Catalan tokens GPT-3 was trained on alone, you'd just get a GPT-2 level gibberish model at best. I don't doubt you, i just don't think it means what you think it means.
As for papers, these are some interesting ones.
How do languages influence each other? Studying cross-lingual data sharing during LLM fine-tuning - https://arxiv.org/pdf/2305.13286
Teaching Llama a New Language Through Cross-Lingual Knowledge Transfer - https://arxiv.org/abs/2404.04042
Zero-shot cross-lingual transfer in instruction tuning of large language models - https://arxiv.org/abs/2402.14778
Multilingual LLMs are Better Cross-lingual In-context Learners with Alignment - https://arxiv.org/abs/2305.05940
It's not like there is perfect transfer but the idea that there's none at all seemed so ridiculous to me (and why i asked the first question). Models would be utterly useless in multilingual settings if that were really the case.
Like the 3rd paper, GPT's instruction tuning is done basically only in English - https://mobile.twitter.com/janleike/status/16252072516309606...
I agree with you, and we seem to hold a minority opinion. LLMs contain a LOT of information and are very articulate - they are language models after all. So they seem answer questions well, but fall down on thinking/reasoning about the information they contain.
But then they can play chess. I'm not sure what to make of that. Such an odd mix of capability and uselessness, but the distinction is always related to something like understanding.
(I can't try right now because of API rate limits)
I ask:
"Consider a tenor ukulele in standard tuning. If we tune it down by a half step, how might we then finger a Gmaj7?"
It initially reasons correctly that this must be G-B-D-F# and it understands what the resulting strings will be tuned to if we drop them a half step. It just can't work out a valid fingering, and ends up getting confused and suggesting a nonsense chord.
Music theory is a great topic to test though, since GPT-4 struggles a little with it.
"The episode of Gilligan's Island that features mind reading is titled "The Friendly Physician." It is the 28th episode of the second season, originally aired on March 24, 1966. [...]"
Still no luck with that one.
> Suppose I have a cabbage, a goat and a lion, and I need to get them across a river. I have a boat that can only carry myself and a single other item. I am not allowed to leave the cabbage and lion alone together, and I am not allowed to leave the lion and goat alone together. How can I safely get all three across?
Take the goat.
Return by yourself.
Take the lion.
Return with the goat.
Take the cabbage.
Return by yourself.
Take the goat.
That's a nice test of LLM capabilites and also, human inattention!
I have three doors in front of me. behind one is a great prize. Behind the other two are bad prizes. I know which door contains the prize, and I choose that door. Before I open it the game show host eliminates one of the doors that contain the bad prize. He then asks if I'd like to switch to the other remaining door instead of the one I chose. Should I switch doors?`
Big answer:
This scenario is a classic probability puzzle known as the Monty Hall problem, named after the original host of the game show *Let's Make a Deal*. Here's how it works and what you should do:
1. **Initial Choice**: You choose one of the three doors. At this stage, the probability that you have selected the door with the great prize is \( \frac{1}{3} \), and the probability that the great prize is behind one of the other two doors is \( \frac{2}{3} \).
2. **Host's Action**: The host, who knows what is behind each door, then opens one of the remaining two doors to reveal a bad prize. This step is crucial because the host always reveals a bad prize and always chooses one of the doors you did not pick.
3. **Decision Point**: You now have the option to stick with your original choice or switch to the other unopened door. Here’s why you might consider switching:
- If your original choice (let's say you chose door 1) was correct (which has a probability of \( \frac{1}{3} \)), then the other two doors (2 and 3) both have bad prizes, and switching would cause you to lose.
- However, if your original choice was incorrect (which has a probability of \( \frac{2}{3} \)), meaning the prize is behind one of the other two doors, the host's action of opening another door (say he opens door 3, revealing a bad prize) leaves the door with the prize (door 2) still closed. Switching in this case would lead you to win.
4. **Probability of Winning**:
- If you do not switch, you win if your original choice was the door with the prize (probability \( \frac{1}{3} \)).
- If you do switch, you win if your original choice was not the door with the prize (probability \( \frac{2}{3} \)).
Therefore, **you should switch doors**. Switching doors doubles your chances of winning the great prize, from \( \frac{1}{3} \) (if you stick with your original choice) to \( \frac{2}{3} \) (if you switch). The switch works in your favor because it capitalizes on the probability shift caused by the host's action of revealing a bad prize behind one of the doors you did not initially pick.In the scenario you describe, you already know which door has the great prize and you have chosen that door initially. The game show host then eliminates one of the other two doors, which must be a door with a bad prize. At this point, you are asked whether you want to switch to the remaining unchosen door.
Since you initially chose the door with the great prize and the host's action of removing a bad prize door doesn't change the contents of the doors, there is no benefit to switching. Your initial choice was the door with the great prize, and it still contains the great prize. Switching doors would only lead you to a door with a bad prize.
Therefore, you should not switch doors. You should stick with your original choice where you already know the great prize is located.
This situation is different from the classic Monty Hall problem, where the contestant does not know where the prize is initially and the probabilities change based on the host's action of removing a bad prize door. In your case, since you know where the prize is from the start, the logic of the Monty Hall problem does not apply. Stick with your initial choice.
https://nicholas.carlini.com/writing/2024/my-benchmark-for-l...
I've tried out some of my own little test prompts, but most of those are tricky rather than practical. At least for my inputs, it doesn't seem to do better than other top models, but I'm hesitant to draw conclusions before seeing outputs on more realistic tasks. It does feel like it's at least in the ballpark of GPT-4/Claude/etc. Even if it's not actually GPT-4.5 or whatever, it's still an interesting mystery what this model is and where it came from.
On the other hand the prompt was different so maybe it was just me.
It's GPT2.
"I have a soft spot for GPT-2" and then "I have a soft spot of GPT2"
Considering that it reports back it's GPT 4, I'm guessing the underlaying model is the same/slightly tweaked GPT4, but something else is different and it's that which is a 'v2' version, maybe agents, reasoning layer etc.
* While lmsys does hide the names of models until a person decides which model generated the best text, people can still figure out what language model generated a piece of text** (or have a good guess) without explicit knowledge, especially if that model is hyped up online as 'GPT-5;' even a subconscious "this text sounds like what I have seen 'GPT2-chatbot' generate online" may influence results inadvertently.
** ... though I will note that I just got a generation from 'gpt2-chatbot' that I thought was from Claude 3 (haiku/sonnet), and its competitor was LLaMa-3-70b (I thought it was 8b or Mixtral). I am obviously not good at LLM authorship attribution.
The only case where detecting a model makes any difference is for vendors who want to boost their own model by hiring people and paying them every time they select the vendor's model.
I think releasing to this 3rd party so the internet can start chattering about it and discovering new functionality several months before an official release aligns with that goal of drip-feeding society incremental updates instead of big new releases.
OpenAI sucks at naming though. GPT2 now? Their specific gpt-4-314 etc. model naming was also a mess.
Maybe they got help from Microsoft?
Prompt:
> there are 3 black blocks on top of an block that we don't know the color of and beneath them there is a blue block. We remove all blocks and shuffle the blocks with one additional green block, then put them back on top of each other. the yellow block is on top of blue block. What color is the block we don't know the color of? only answer in one word. the color of block we didn't know the color of initially
ChatGPT 4: Green
Claude3 Opus: Green
GPT2-Chatbot: Yellow
"Yellow"
I think the "temperature" (randomness) of a LLM makes it so you'd need to run a lot of these to know if it's actually getting it right or just being lucky and selecting the right color randomly
A dolphin/mistral fine tune also go it right.
Deepseek 67B also.
But as far as I can tell, challenges.cloudflare.com isn't blocked by browser plugins, my home network, or my ISP.
Implement a Pytorch module for the DropBack continuous pruning while training algorithm:
I tried a few versions of the prompt, including asking first about shot-scraper. It knows shot-scraper was made by Simon Willison and mostly knows how to use it, but that didn't help it with llm. Long tail is still a problem.
If I had API access to this, I might be interested in trying to find if there exists a prompt that can improve this sort of thing.
ChatGPT4: 13
Claude3 Opus: 10 (correct)
GPT2-Chatbot: 15
Also there could be more sisters.
“Write C code to calculate the sum of matrix elements below the secondary diagonal.“
Answer: Hello! I'm ChatGPT, a language model developed by OpenAI based on the GPT-4 architecture. I'm here to help answer your questions, assist with a wide range of topics, or just chat about whatever's on your mind! How can I assist you today?
> I'm playing assetto corsa competizione, and I need you to tell me how many liters of fuel to take in a race. The qualifying time was 2:04.317, the race is 20 minutes long, and the car uses 2.73 liters per lap.
because it looks like a simple math problem but there's a lot of real world knowledge about racing you can apply to provide a more useful answer. gpt2-chatbot is better than I've ever seen.
Here's the full response with LaTeX syntax trimmed. I've never seen a model consider whether the formation lap needs to be factored in. And I especially like how this model is uncertain about that, so it gives the resulting number with and without it. It is extra nice that it understands this concern applies only to video games.
> To calculate how many liters of fuel you will need for a 20-minute race in Assetto Corsa Competizione, we first need to determine how many laps you'll complete during the race. Here’s how you can do it step-by-step:
> Convert Your Lap Time to Minutes: Your lap time is 2 minutes and 4.317 seconds. Convert this entirely into minutes: [latex trimmed]
> Calculate the Number of Laps in the Race: The race duration is 20 minutes, so divide the total race time by your lap time to find out how many laps you will complete: [latex trimmed] Since you cannot complete a fraction of a lap, you should round this number to the nearest whole number. Typically, you should round up, as you'll need to complete all laps started before the 20-minute mark is reached. So, you will complete approximately 10 laps.
> Calculate Fuel Usage Per Lap: You've mentioned that the car uses 2.73 liters of fuel per lap.
> Calculate Total Fuel Needed: Multiply the number of laps by the fuel usage per lap: [latex trimmed] This is the total amount of fuel you would need, theoretically, to complete the race.
> Consider Additional Factors:
> Fuel for Formation Lap: If your game/race format includes a formation lap, remember to add fuel for this extra lap. That's an additional 2.73 liters.
> Safety Margin: It's also wise to include a margin to account for variations in fuel consumption (like higher consumption in traffic, different driving styles, or fuel usage during race incidents). A safe margin could be an additional 5-10% of the calculated fuel need. [latex trimmed]
> Rounding this number up, you might consider starting the race with about 33 liters to be on the safe side if there's a formation lap, or 30 liters if there isn't.
> This calculation should help you ensure that you do not run out of fuel during the race, taking into account both necessary consumption and a reasonable safety margin. Drive safely and best of luck in your race!
--
GPT-4 - wrong
gpt2-chatbot - wrong
Claude 3 Opus - correct
Grapefruit is of course the best fruit.
Edit: It's actually available in the dropdown.
I did the arena and kept asking this:
Has Anyone Really Been Far Even as Decided to Use Even Go Want to do Look More Like?
All of them thought it was gibberish except gpt2-chatbot. It said:
The phrase you're asking about, "Has anyone really been far even as decided to use even go want to do look more like?" is a famous example of internet gibberish that became a meme. It originated from a post on the 4chan board /v/ (video games) around 2009. The post puzzled readers due to its nonsensical structure, sparking amusement and confusion across the internet community.
*Interpretation and Usage:*
1. *As a Meme:* This phrase is typically used online to mock confusing, poorly worded, or illogical statements. It’s often brought up in forums or comment sections as a humorous way to question the coherence of someone else’s words or to deliberately confuse someone further.
2. *Cultural Impact:* It reflects a broader internet culture that values absurdity and nonsensical humor. Memes like this are a way for internet communities to bond over shared "inside jokes" or a common understanding of internet history and culture.
3. *In Communication:* You might see it used in response to something that doesn't make sense, or when someone wants to playfully indicate that what they're saying or asking isn't meant to be taken seriously. It’s a playful embrace of chaos and confusion that’s typical in many online communities.
*Use in Conversation:* If you're in a context where internet memes and humor are appreciated, dropping this phrase could serve as a light-hearted way to engage or nudge others into a fun, if a bit bewildering, exchange. Just be aware that its usage is best received among those familiar with meme culture and internet history.
The chatbot replied to you with marginal remarks anyone could have produced (and discarded immediately through filtering), but the challenge is getting its intended meaning...
"Sorry, where am I?" // "In a car."
Though mine isn't obscure, but this is the only chatbot that actually recognizes it as a meme. Everything after that is kinda just generic descriptions of what a meme is like.
It answered "How many frogs does a horse have?" correctly, with perfect reasoning. No model I've tested has ever answered that correctly without 3-4 hints.
I'm impressed!
How many frogs does a horse have?
Oh it appears Model B: gpt2-chatbot
is correct?
A horse has one frog in each of its hooves, making a total of four frogs. The frog is a part of the horse's hoof, located on the underside. It is a V-shaped structure that helps to absorb shock, provides traction, and aids in the circulation of blood through the hoof. The health and shape of the frog are important for the overall well-being of the horse's feet.Gemini Pro (the current web chat version) gave a similar answer, either no frogs or four depending on the intended meaning, and showed a photo of a hoof. All 3 drafts agreed on this.
Other models I have tried said a horse had no frogs. That includes gemini-1.5-pro-api-0409-preview as provided by the Chatbot Arena (temperature = 0.7, 2 tries).
GPT4 seems to handle this fine, unless I'm confused?
Rate-limited on direct chat, I had to use the arena mode. I asked the same question 10 times before I got an answer from gpt2-chatbot.
My question:
"Can you write a YAML parser in Hacklang?"
This is a fun question because every LLM I've seen so far (including ChatGPT 4) will come up with an answer that's about six years out of date. They'll often suggest code that flat-out doesn't work in Hacklang anymore (Hack/HHVM used to be able to execute all PHP code).
This is a difficult problem because there's very little Hacklang code available in public GitHub. The vast majority of Hacklang code — many millions of LOC — is closed-source and not available for training. But there is public documentation at docs.hhvm.com
The gpt2-chatbot output was still pretty bad, but at least the syntax it generated was valid in current versions of Hack, and invalid in current versions of PHP — more than can be said for any other LLM.
"RATE LIMIT OF THIS MODEL IS REACHED. PLEASE COME BACK LATER OR USE BATTLE MODE (the 1st tab). USER_DAILY_LIMIT (gpt2-chatbot): 8"
any way to test this model elsewhere?
> Can you explain more about the response and impedance of each? I am an engineer, so you can feel free to be quite technical.
---
>Certainly! Given your engineering background, let's delve deeper into the response characteristics and impedance aspects of both traditional ceramic piezo pickups and PVDF piezo pickups. Understanding these can significantly impact your choice, especially in terms of how they integrate with the rest of your audio chain (like preamps and amplifiers).
>
> Electrical Characteristics
> 1.
> Piezoelectric Coefficient
> Ceramic Piezo Pickups: The piezoelectric coefficient ( d_{33} ) of ceramics like Lead Zirconate Titanate (PZT) is typically very high. This coefficient measures the electric displacement produced per unit stress. For PZTs, ( d_{33} ) can range from 100 to 600 pC/N (picoCoulombs per Newton), depending on the formulation and orientation of the crystal structure.
> PVDF Pickups: PVDF generally has a lower piezoelectric coefficient, around 20 to 30 pC/N. Despite this lower coefficient, the material's flexibility and the ability to form larger, more adaptive surfaces can compensate in practical applications, offering sufficient voltage output under less stringent mechanical deformations.
> 2.
> Voltage Output
> The output voltage ( V ) from a piezo pickup can be estimated by the formula:
> [ V = d_{33} \cdot F \cdot A / t ]
> where:
> ( F ) is the force applied,
> ( A ) is the area,
> ( t ) is the thickness of the piezo material.
> Ceramic Piezo: Due to their high ( d_{33} ) value, even small deformations can produce relatively high voltages, which makes them sensitive to shock and vibrations, potentially capturing unwanted mechanical noises.
> PVDF Pickups: The lower ( d_{33} ) value means lower voltage outputs for the same mechanical stress compared to ceramics, but their larger possible surface area and thinner construction can enhance output levels and fidelity across a broader frequency range.
>
> [SNIP]
I thought I was reading an old article.
> How do I reduce an instance of the subset sum problem containing positive and negative integers, to an instance that contains positive integers only?
There is a very simple transformation. But if you google for this, almost all of the math-exchange answers are either flat out incorrect, or technically correct but overly complex.
This was my go-to question to test llms, and every single LLM that I have tried before this would repeat the same incorrect answer that you would find on a forum.
gpt2-chatbot answered it correctly on its first attempt.
It says for this post:
- 136 points
- 2 hours ago
- 65 comments
Ok
This is now sitting on 5th page at the 122nd spot.
Ummm?
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In the heart of the bustling city of Thessaloniki, where the aroma of freshly brewed Greek coffee mingled with the salty breeze of the Thermaic Gulf, an old watchmaker named Elias operated a tiny shop that had seen better days. The shop, cluttered with clocks of every kind, from grandiothers to delicate wristwatches, was a capsule of time itself, untouched by the rush of the modern world.
Elias, a man of few words, wore the years on his face as gracefully as the patina on his timepieces. His hands, though steady when working on the intricate gears and springs, trembled slightly as he sipped his coffee in the quiet moments between the ticking.
One rainy morning, as the city awoke to the tapping of rain against the cobblestones, a young woman named Zoe hurried into Elias's shop, escaping a sudden downpour. Her appearance was like a breeze through stale air, her bright eyes scanning the ancient clocks with a curious sparkle.
“I need a gift,” Zoe announced, her voice cutting through the silence like the chime of a bell. “Something unique.”
Elias nodded, his gaze lingering slightly longer than usual. He sensed her distress, a hidden layer beneath her composed exterior. “Who is it for?” he asked, his voice as rough as the gears he polished.
“My father,” she replied, her fingers tracing the outline of a pocket watch displayed under the glass. “He’s retiring, and I want to give him something special to mark the end of his time working.”
“A good choice,” Elias said, picking up the pocket watch. “This watch is over a hundred years old. It stopped working a long time ago, much like its owner, perhaps waiting for the right moment to come alive again.”
Zoe smiled, intrigued. “Can you fix it?”
With a nod, Elias set to work. As his tools moved with precision, Zoe watched, seeing the care he took with each tiny screw and wheel. It was not just a watch he was mending, but weaving hope into an artifact left behind by time.
“Tell me about him, your father,” Elias said, as he worked.
“He’s always been punctual, a man of routine and schedules. Lately, I see him lost, unsure of what lies ahead when there’s no office to go to, no meetings to attend.”
“A new chapter,” Elias muttered, more to himself than to Zoe. “Time teaches us to move forward, even when our gears resist.”
When the watch was finally ticking again, its hands sweeping smoothly as if no time had passed since it last worked, Zoe’s eyes lit up. She listened to it, the sound a sweet melody to her anxious heart.
“How much do I owe you?” she asked, reaching for her purse.
“Nothing,” Elias said, closing her fingers around the watch. “Consider it a gift, for both you and your father. A reminder that time, even when it seems to stop, moves on, and so must we.”
Zoe left the shop with the watch securely in her hand, the weight of the gift heavier than its size suggested. When she gave her father the watch, his eyes reflected the same storms and sunsets that Elias’s did. The retirement party passed, speeches were made, and laughter filled the air, but the true gift was in the quiet moment Zoe and her father shared, listening to the steady tick of the old pocket watch, a heartbeat promising new beginnings.
Back in his shop, Elias sat alone, the tick-tock of countless clocks filling the room like a symphony. He didn’t need to see Zoe’s father’s face to know the impact of his gift. In fixing the watch, he had set something much greater into motion, a timeless reminder that life, like time, always finds a way to move forward. The little shop wasn’t just a place of business, but a haven where moments were kept alive through the magic of gears and springs, and where every repair mended more than just objects, but hearts too.
>Are you GPT-4.5 or GPT-5?
>I'm based on GPT-4. There isn't a "GPT-4.5" or "GPT-5" version specific to my model. If you have any questions or need assistance, feel free to ask! I'm here to help with information up to my last update in November 2023. What would you like to know or discuss?
The better it gets the more people will get frustrated that they get less website visitors to their content and instead ChatGPT is swallowing them whole.
Interesting to think about tho!
Sure it does. I mention because it is not a good sign that “people are getting this,” when youtubers are using headlines like “What GPT-7 means for your sales leads!”
The fallacy is kind of allowed by us who understand it better, when we accept semver from companies as actually being incremental, and accurate public information.
It’s not like these models are all just matrices of weights, they are radical architectural experiments.
What?
> Sure it does.
What? Contradicting yourself immediately?
> I mention because it is not a good sign that “people are getting this,” when youtubers are using headlines like “What GPT-7 means for your sales leads!”
…what?
> The fallacy is kind of allowed by us who understand it better, when we accept semver from companies as actually being incremental, and accurate public information.
I don’t see how this follows from your previous points (if you can even call them that).
> It’s not like these models are all just matrices of weights, they are radical architectural experiments.
Aspects of both things are true. Also, this doesn’t follow from/connect with anything you said previously.
My point was that we have no idea what the new versions are.