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I was downvoted (unjustly) when I mentioned App Sandboxing the other day (here: http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=4004833). Apple will force sandbox effective June 1st, so they can't provide updates through MAS version if Coda 2 is not fully sandboxed. They haven't said anywhere whether that's the case or not.

The support page says:

    Apple often changes the conditions for Mac App Store eligibility, and it's possible
    we may have to modify or remove features from the Mac App Store version in the future. 
    It's our intent to keep them as close to identical as Apple will let us.

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So, they might be forced to remove some features from the MAS version, in that case, it'd be better to get it directly from panic.com. On the other hand, MAS version sports iCloud support, so if it's fully sandboxed, it's better to get it from MAS.

We can wait a few weeks to see which on is the case, but in that case, we'll lose the $50 discount.

I'm sure Panic is aware of all these issues and doubts, but I can't think of an honest reason why they don't address these issues.

I love Panic and their softwares; that's why I hate to see that they're apparently playing with their customers.

Maybe you could just email them and ask?

I don't do fron-end web design, and I wouldn't buy Coda even if it was 5 dollars (I have no use for it) - if I were to buy it, I would certainly email them and ask about it.

But I use several other Panic products and like them very much (Prompt for iPad is great for example). So it's not something that I actually care about in the slightest. I just wanted to warn my fellow HNers to consider these points before purchasing.

Somebody asked them on twitter. The response isn't particularly reassuring. https://twitter.com/stevenf/status/204675630363721728

There's no free trial? Coda 2 is not worth $99... $50 is where it should stay at. It's pretty much a step up from iWeb than Coda 1.

There is 7-day trial.

And the very first thing it prompts you to do (besides joining their mailing list) is crippled and reserved for paying users only (importing transmit favorites)... Seriously, a short eval period + in your face crippleware that only hurts your most-loyal users... the ones who have already bought transmit?

That's a stumble out of the gate, IMHO.

As much as I like Coda, it's a little annoying (as a customer) that the only way to get support is via e-mail or Twitter. Just about every other software company out there hosts discussion boards that let their users at least get help from one another.

This software is awesome, our whole team uses this software everyday.

The use case is simple: centralized dev, terminal and preview. It's insanely powerful.

Nice, the quick open now searches the whole file path. This was much needed!

Before when i looked for "__init__.py" I got them all, now I can do "api __ini" and I've got the right one.

Also loving the git support. After a first half hour, I am impressed. Everything I wanted in Coda2 seems to be here, and the polish is what we've come to expect from Panic.

I just bought Diet Coda just for that one rare situation when I'll need to edit some html or change file permissions from bed. It's really nicely done, just like every Panic product but I don't see myself using it very often especially since my workflow involves LESS & CoffeScript and versioning vs. editing straight on the production server.

I use Coda with Less and Coffeescript (with the Rails asset pipeline) and it is fine. Sure the svn feature (in v1) was useless for Github, but Gitbox solves that problem quite easily.

I was talking about Diet Coda, the iPad version.

What exactly is the use case for Coda? It doesn't seem like it offers any benefit for dynamic websites, but then it doesn't have wysiwyg editing either. I am curious why it is popular.

Probably because it has an attractive UI that makes it a little more approachable (subjectively) for web developers than the likes of Textmate.

It's not as if Transmit really brings that much to the FTP world, but people seem to really love it.

Transmit doesn't seem that outstanding to me either.

I've also found that FTP clients on Mac are missing a nice feature found on many Windows clients: multi-part (accelerated) transfers.

I've always wondered the same thing. It seems like Panic is getting a pass just for being Panic. When there's something like Sublime Text 2 out there for $60, I'm surprised people are so attracted to these all-in-one apps that aren't as extendible and typically load files slower.

>> It seems like Panic is getting a pass just for being Panic

I think this is very true, and it applies to their entire product line. It still boggles my mind how popular Transmit is.

Having said that, extensibility isn't for everyone. I have licenses for Coda, Textmate and Sublime, and I like them all.

Personally, I do like the one-window approach that Coda takes, but that's a ultimately a taste thing.

It's also worth checking out Chocolat: http://chocolatapp.com/

I think it's on par with Textmate and currently $34

Coda 1 was pretty good when it was released – it raised the bar for approachable HTML and CSS tools, compared to many of the available tools.

Coda 2 actually seems to take a step backwards and it certainly doesn't measure up to the rep that Coda 1 earned out of the gate. It makes some jumps in terms of ancillary UI widgets but it doesn't dramatically change or improve workflows over Coda 1, as far as I can see in 15 minutes of exploring. It doesn't integrate well with dynamic sites or version control from what I can see.

At a minimum, it'd be nice to be able to have a first-class embeded webkit browser as one of the options for the frame/panes but the closest they come is a preview – which works really hard to only render the file you're working on (but does include a small URL field).

The big new feature is MySQL integration? Clearly they had a very specific user persona in mind – and I don't really know who that is... but I think they're from ~5-10 years ago.

I think I'll pass, honestly... sadly. I hope I'm just missing something because this was an update I wanted to see.

Coda (1) is a great tool for beginners, if you're just figuring out HTML/CSS/JS/Wordpress/PHP/Terminal/etc. It also works well for those who are not supposed to be too technical – designers, for example.

As you become a more proficient developer, you begin to appreciate the configurability and extensibility of textmate/sublime/emacs/whatever over the polished but limited workflow conventions of Coda. (At least I did, Sublime FTW!)

For me, it's because it's a Mac app.

I've paid for Sublime Text and it does the job (and is my preferred editor on Linux), but, for me at least, it doesn't "fit" on a Mac as well as Coda. And I can't really tell you why that is.

I just bought Coda 2 thinking it had improved by leaps and bounds. It's just the same thing, more or less. What site actually has urls ending in .php these days? How can you preview pretty URLs? It's just a total waste of money.

It's 50% off through Friday ($49 USD).

Also, it sounds like they're offering free upgrades for recent Coda 1 buyers, which is nice.

Only if you bought Coda 1 between (2012-04-10 to 2012-05-24).

Using the demo now - I love it, but it's crashed twice in 20 minutes... Guess it's early days.

Make that thrice, seems to crash every time I drag an icon from the sidebar->home panel to the sidebar quick nav menu (edit: only when dragging to rightmost position).

Upgraded to 2, when I run, it crashes, have to force quit. Solid $49 dollars spent. Fail!

Yep, same deal. Endlessly blinks in the dock but never opens.

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