You are what you read, even if you don't always remember it
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Since I realized this, I am more meticulous when choosing what I do and don't do, there is no going back.
But in the spirit of what you've said, I try to avoid doing dumb, damaging, or boring things twice.
In all seriousness, I liked that line you quoted in the song. I wonder if there is a literary term for that repetition. It's not alliteration I don't think as the words themselves repeat.
Or maybe just, like many readers, I love buying new books almost as much as reading them, and this is just an excuse to buy more... :)
As a parent I tell my kids: "Make lots of mistakes. Learn from them and don't repeat them; avoid the fatal ones". Then I try to remember my own words before I chastize them for their multitude of dumb decisions (teenage boys)...
There’s always a reason to say no, and it’s probably bullshit.
It also has the added benefit of uplifting others - it transforms their idle thought into something that actually happens.
Maybe at the end of the day simple platitudes only work for the lucky.
Hearty agreement, from the experience of both the receiving and offering ends of that gesture.
Hence, book burnings, censorship, and suppression of free speech are problematic.
(That said, I also believe that free speech should be curtailed on platforms with large audiences)
Libraries are a treasure that represent the best of humanity.
Having lived in quite a few different cities and towns, I've come to the conclusion that the quality of the library (i.e. of the space, atmosphere, and resources provided) correlates with the quality of the community.
One of the worst censor/suppressor of free speech is also the largest web search.
We all exist in the world, not apart from it, and no amount of exclusion or creation of “sterile spaces” will change that.
Before retiring, I trained new hires, the age gaps were sometimes very interesting. The younger they were, the more they wanted to know. (obviously their experience level was pretty low.) I used adages to bring a point home when explaining a difficult concept. It worked every time.
I guess you could call it "folk wisdom" but it seems more like a restating of the obvious to me.
The surrounding reality in the world doesn't change but the gp was talking about deliberate curation of that reality.
Maybe another example using advertising to help highlight the difference:
- block ads during web surfing with PiHole and uBlock. <-- the curation perspective of gp y04nn's, "I am more meticulous when choosing what I do and don't do, there is no going back.
- no amount of blocking ads will change the fact that ads exist in the world <-- your perspective
Yes, you're correct that "ads still exist" but browsing the web without it is still a nicer experience.
As a general life strategy, I think it’s always better to “filter” rather than “block.”
I've been practising information hygiene for a while - if I can't change anything about problem X and it does not affect me or my family, should I be deeply informed about it? - and it has done wonders for my mental health.
(I'm not referring to intellectual videos, but instead just "some random person" that has amassed 10M followers because they .. well I don't know what they do, except market themselves well. Then start blathering on about literally the dumbest blather ever.
For example, taking medical advice from some guy living in a van, or taking scientific advice from some dude who doesn't even understand ... anything.
Populism to the extreme. Lookit me, I'm purdy, ergo my opinion on everything supersedes everyone.)
Filling the day with any video's seems to have downsides.
Your past experiences also teach you what to ignore. You are free to do that to my comment. :)
Free will is certainly constrained, and our material and biological conditions do matter - there’s no amount I can will to make myself fly, but they are not necessarily as rigid of constraints as many would have you believe. We can overcome our biology, our predilections, and many of our shortcomings. We have to consciously choose to do so though.
Free will is something that we experience which provides extremely compelling evidence that it is true. Things don't have to be empirically proven in order to be true, if that were the case then empiricism itself would fail the test as it has never been established to be true empirically.
I've heard it said that the concept doesn't even exist in many cultures and that its importance in western culture can be largely attributed to the need to justify the concept of 'original sin'.
For me at least, free will is a concept with no value.
Free will is the foundation of most judeo-christian moral systems, which were inherited by liberalism. It's the justification for punishshing and rewading individuals.
It seems to work relatively well, but I find it very cruel.
My criticism is that they all seem to make the same error, in treating the existence of free will as some sort of binary decision.
My view is that the more one's model is coherent with the underlying reality, the more options are available to the individual. The greater the selection, the more free will you have.
Eg, if someone pulls a gun on you, you may think you have no free will. However, if you have a gun of your own, you have a different set of options. Similarly, if you are a trained martial artist or hostage negotiator, you will evaluate your options differently - you have more options.
Put simply one doesn't know what one doesn't know. Most likely this will occur in the case where one is certain of one's 'knowledge' of something that is actually false, ie one is operating within a lie/fantasy and has been tricked. Here, one will have a constrained set of options and therefore less free will.
But to me those examples are just knowledge. Regardless of how many possible options, the process of making the choice would be free will, if it existed.
In movies. In real life, 99% of the time if someone pulls a gun on you in close range with the intent of harming you before you have your gun pointing at them, then you are going to be harmed and your martial arts or gun is going to be useless.
[0] https://www.penguinrandomhouse.com/books/592344/determined-b...
"Everyone learns from experience. The wise try to learn from other people's experience."
Highly debatable.
Obviously our environment influences us, but we are largely a product of ourselves. And that aspect is what drives us to seek out the things we do. Which can then, in turn, make it seem that the things we seek out have turned us into who we are.
You'd have to pay attention and find any step forward possible for them to begin to enter the discomfort that is holding them back - which may be the biggest challenge of their lives up until that point.
Ideally though, as we're all sheep to some degree - which is exactly what this HN post is stating in a more sophisticated way, and attempting to warn for this - ideally there's a culture of practices that develop oneself, so you're just going along with the "herd" - that path hopefully not corrupted and led by bad actors attempting to send us off a cliff or into their totalitarian pen.
Language itself does, in fact, very much contain views, values and perspectives. As an example, there are population groups that do not have a word for the color blue, and that cannot, in consequence, distinguish between green and blue objects. [0] [1] And that's an example that has been noticed throughout the world.
[0] https://www.sciencealert.com/humans-didn-t-even-see-the-colo...
[1] https://news.mit.edu/2023/how-blue-and-green-appeared-langua...
And the smaller the external input we give to this group of toddler, the more they will resemble a violent pack of chimps in the end. Unlikely to develop their own values and perspectives.
In any case you also have an ancestor issue. The views, values, and so on that we take for granted simply did not exist at some point. Yet, here we are.
Though there's a shocking amount of convergent evolution.
Humans, relatively to most animals, also have an extremely slow generational time, which I think also further emphasizes this divergence. If we assume a low end generational time of just 20 years, even that is as few 2,500 generations, hardly a blink in time on a normal evolutionary scale.
[1] - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Recent_African_origin_of_moder...
I was kinda impressed with Bergman once the book came out so I took nine copies to Finnish MP's to share. Unfortunately they were not too interested in the humane message the book told
Even if you could make the toddlers physically identical, you can't place them all in the same point in space and always see, hear, touch the same things.
Add randomness inherent in the current understanding of (quantum) physics and you'd need a strong convergence mechanism for your experiment to prove what you're saying.
Even a brief look out your window will convince you this cannot possibly be true.
How many people have a different religion than their parents? How many Christians from Iowa have kids that decide they're actually Hindu? Just about zero.
Can you tell where someone is from based on how they dress? Heck yes. If they were making up their mind on their own you couldn't.
The likelihood you'll go into the military is far higher if other people in your family are in the military. 1% of Americans serve at all. But 60% of people who serve have an immediate family member (parent or sibling) who serves.
We could go on endlessly.
The idea that we're largely a product of ourselves is absurd. How many top physics were born in Eastern Europe be Africa? Do people in Africa genetically hate physics? No. But you're largely a product of your environment.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hayy_ibn_Yaqdhan
Probably the most important work of Arabic philosophy.
We really have little idea how much our character and behavior is formed by experiences and how much by our DNA. Though pretty clearly, early experiences generally have a larger effect than later experiences.
That's only the mental aspect. Physically, you are also what you eat and how often you exercise.
There are plenty of books and other resources that speak to the power of "no". To the phrase I quote above, yes you need to have a good 'diet' of what you put in your mind. Some junkfood is ok, mostly junkfood is not.
A quote that has shaped me is: ""The less time one gives to the newspapers the better," he replied. "Do you like books on travels?"" by Hector Malot on his book En Femille (Nobody's Girl)(https://www.gutenberg.org/files/27690/27690-h/27690-h.htm)
Btw, others write about ads. We can only (perhaps) avoid some on the internet (ad-blockers, NoRoot Firewall on Android devices and block certain IPs/URLs) but there are many ads we don't block, in movies (product placement), posters on bus stops, etc.
Fun fact: Apple doesn't allow its devices to be used by "baddies", so if you see an actor holding/using an iPhone, and you are not sure if they are Nice or Evil, chances are there will be a last-minute-twist and that actor will be/become Nice.
Particularly sudden advertising in youtube videos, it really feels like some kind of rape of the mind.
Four factors that are party to this mechanism of not "being what you eat" are: - developing attention and aim, - self-awareness/emotional regulation development [which will clear past trauma and allow you to 1) be processing fully int he present moment or 2) extrapolate and prophesying-predicting into the future more accurately], - developing a dynamic weighting process, and - honing your judgment, compassion, and forgiveness practices - as any logic for judgements you apply to others, that logic is also applied to yourself - whether you realize it or not, and will weigh you down - depress you and can increase your baseline stress and anger levels.
The above will raise your vibratory frequency from the patterns of thoughts and beliefs of yourself or others, which if they are negative then they will knock you and keep you down [and/or require unnecessary and excessive energy to trying to prop yourself up with active motivation]; keeping you at a lower vibration - where like attracts like.
I do however do everything to avoid very low quality content - that we could call candy - like advertisements, however avoid may be the wrong word - I consciously act for high yield outcomes and quickly respond consciously to note when an unavoidable ad is present - and arguably am good at not getting distracted by them or go into a studying mode to analyze them to see what tactics they are deployed; ultimately they are a waste of time and can cause a misdirection of attention, but the consequences are far worse than that.
There are many very effective and efficient practices to help with all of the above - natural medicinal as well as things like yoga as a framework.
And understanding this and factors that help or factors that may make you more prone or fragile, make it more difficult to regulate, is valuable knowledge as well - such as if you're high in conscientiousness and/or negative emotion ["neuroticism"] - and further knowing if that's the case it usually merely means it will simply to take to master than the average, so then to learn to be more patient with yourself.
P.S. Are they still producing new seasons of Silicon Valley?
2) Couldn't help but think of this quote from Kamala Harris that has been of recent memery. :P
You think you just fell out of a coconut tree? You exist in the context of all in which you live and what came before you.
To me, the risks are being overwhelmed by internalizing too much at once, and the opportunity cost of having a limited amount of time to take things in to your senses.
Influence is a very nuanced thing so I don't want to sound too black and white here, but I think it's like a brainstorm session. You take what you like best from your senses/inputs/etc
If you read it as the common English phrase "there's no going back", no. It's just a thing people say in place of something more dry like "I will continue doing this for as long as I feel I should which I currently think is a long time or forever but saying that would be a bit ridiculous".
And whom you surround yourself with in both professional and personal life, whom you listen to as an authority on topic XYZ. Work has massive effect on our personality long term. There is no way to separate those 2, so its smart to anticipate things before you realize that decade(s) in some toxic place dragged you nanometer by nanometer into some dark pit.
I'm pretty sure my ADD brain fails to do that on a regular basis.
The thing is when we read, particularly in growing years, the expectation is that we would remember most of things from the book and apply it somewhere else, ex. in a discussion "...agree, the same I gathered from this excellent book that I read couple of years back...".
And frankly, I'm bummed by it still. I read a lot but when certain situation comes I cannot remember things & facts vaguely, even though I had finished 300 pages of that page turner in one night.
I believe this is called subconscious mind
you read something impactful that changes the way you think, your mind will stay changed even if you don't remember the actual reasons or point made, but advertisements, news, etc. will not change the way you think, they are just noise
Be alert, situationally aware.
Process actively, notice and distill patterns.
Try things. Push the environment.
My HS college prep English teacher, who was one of the best teachers I ever had, put it this way: "Garbage in, garbage out." His point was that it simply isn't rational to believe that you can read nothing but National Lampoon, Mad Magazine, or the county newspaper and become a great writer. You have to read, digest, and breathe the air of the great works of fiction and literature and allow it to do its work in influencing your prose style, cadence, and structure.
If we are good readers, a book helps up achieve better generalization (in the machine learning sense). That's its main contribution not the specific facts it contained.
In hindsight, my father and mother-in-law listening to Rush Limbaugh everyday was probably not very good for them. It is a small sample size, but I can remember as a kid how negative and angry the program was and how it certainly didn't put my father into a good mood and how it was kind of like a mind virus. I try to be more aware of advertising and propaganda, but it isn't easy. You have to be vigilant as even the news will use clips out of context. I'm not just saying conservatives are guilty of this either, but am using an example from personal experience.
The other day I was thinking about LLM aggregation and in my internal dialogue used the example of "aliens built the pyramids" as a fringe theory that would be picked up on if tuning for other associated fringe positions by LLMs at places like Gab.
Later in the day I saw in my news feed an article on "how were the pyramids built?" (One of my interests is Egyptian and LBA Mediterranean archeology, so on topic.)
At first I thought "how the heck did it read my mind?"
But then as I thought about it more I remembered that usually my go to example of a fringe position is flat earth. So why was I suddenly using pyramids as the example in my internal dialogue.
What must have happened was that I initially saw the article headline in my feed in passing and didn't consciously register it, but when I was reaching for a fringe position example had been primed for that, and then only after having consciously been reflecting on the topic actually noticed the article in my feed.
Which IMO is a much more alarming explanation for the phenomenon - that my thinking was being written to a degree by my feed - than that my phone was somehow listening in on things or reading my mind.
It reminds me of a graffiti artist in NYC who used to write graffiti about how in reading it he had effectively graffitied your mind.
I'm so bad at handling distractions that I have to turn the radio or music off to make a left hand turn.
You probably get this, but every so often I meet someone who thinks they're a good person because they live in the right state or follow the right media. And that could be Fox News and Texas as easily as it could be MSNBC and New York.
If all advertising were just abstract economic information that a service or product existed with certain features at a certain price-point, then we're left with a whole bunch of inexplicable mysteries, including-but-not-limited-to:
* Why would there be some expensive messages that lack any of that economic information, such as those which show a succession of nice things (that aren't being sold) closing with a brand-name the viewer is already aware of?
* Why would senders deliberately seek to ensure that the same person sees the same repeated message multiple times, even after they declined to purchase the first time and their situation wouldn't have changed?
* Why would any info-packets be crafted to make previously-neutral viewers experience fresh fear and dissatisfaction?
* Why would someone spend unnecessary money on funny mascots or catchy music?
* Why would (where not illegal) the product have a time-limited discount that wasn't actually time limited nor discounted?
Markets and products can easily exist without advertising. In fact, they're better. You go to markets, and you have curators. Advertising outside of a market should be not only illegal but culturally frowned upon as a root ethic.
I heard those quote for the first time about 4 years ago. I had often been a bit disappointed with myself for not taking more notes while reading, or reviewing what I read in a way where I could be one of those people to bring up quotes and concepts, citing back to the original source, with freakish accuracy. This quote made me feel better about simply reading, getting whatever I get out of it, and trusting that I’ve gained some perspective, even if I can’t cite all the sources that built my perspective on a topic.
This is the way to approach it, particularly in these times when knowledge is so vast and there is so much to read. The principle to keep in mind is "Knowledge for Knowledge sake."
But what has happened ever since Industrialization is the focus on output (for a Economy). Hence everything is supposed to be done for a job/money/fame/etc. which i believe is detrimental in the general case.
I come down on the other side of this. The implicit assumption here is that more is better, but it's like drinking from the firehose.
> The principle to keep in mind is "Knowledge for Knowledge sake."
The other position is that knowledge is only useful if it lets you do something that you couldn't do without it.
If you're gaining knowledge for the pleasure of gaining it, and I see no need to justify why one would do this, then whether you read deeply or read widely doesn't make much of a difference.
But if you want to do something with that knowledge, the approach you take should be informed by what you want to do.
No, that is the assumption that you are making and not what i meant. It is an undeniable fact that today we have a far far greater amount of Scientific and Technological Knowledge (sheer Data without making any value judgements) than in any time in the past Human history. Our Society's dependence on Science/Technology has also increased exponentially since the beginning of Industrialization thus forcing us to know/learn more and more. Also see my comment here - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=40154158
> The other position is that knowledge is only useful if it lets you do something that you couldn't do without it.
This is a very limiting viewpoint which is what the posted article and my comments are arguing against. The utility of some knowledge may not be apparent at its inception but may turn out to be of utmost importance when other fields have also developed so everything can come together into a greater whole. A good example is how Materials Science revolutionized Civil Engineering in the building of man-made structures.
> If you're gaining knowledge for the pleasure of gaining it, and I see no need to justify why one would do this, then whether you read deeply or read widely doesn't make much of a difference.
The justification has to do with getting exposed to a greater amount of concepts/ideas and not necessarily understanding/assimilating everything. Here reading widely does make a difference.
> But if you want to do something with that knowledge, the approach you take should be informed by what you want to do.
Only in the specific case when the end-goal/knowledge is clear eg. Engineering. Many a time in scientific research one does not even know the utility of something until sometime in the future when things align correctly. A great example is "Number Theory" which G.H.Hardy thought useless as a practical discipline but which has turned out to be indispensable in today's information technology (in cryptography etc.) centric world.
I don't dispute it. What I dispute is the implication I believe your proposing, which is "there is more knowledge, and therefore we need to read broadly and not focus as much on deep understanding". If that is not what you mean, please correct me since I don't see what other implication you mean.
> The utility of some knowledge may not be apparent at its inception but may turn out to be of utmost importance when other fields have also developed so everything can come together into a greater whole.
I don't disagree. But to apply this knowledge later you need to have remembered about it, and writing notes (which is where this discussion started) absolutely helps with this. I'm arguing for writing down the concepts that you found important or interesting at the time, not a synopsis of each subchapter.
> The justification has to do with getting exposed to a greater amount of concepts/ideas and not necessarily understanding/assimilating everything. Here reading widely does make a difference.
But reading widely only makes a difference to the degree that you do assimilate the content and that it changes you.
> Many a time in scientific research one does not even know the utility of something until sometime in the future when things align correctly.
Except we are not talking about doing scientific research (where I agree getting more knowledge is the whole point). We're talking about reading other people's work to get something out of it. And, especially, in this context there is a trade-off between "just in case" knowledge and "just in time" knowledge.
Just the act of writing an idea or a concept down helps to instil it in your mind, helping you either remember it or continue conceptualise the material you are learning about.
Reading, learning, doing and writing it all down is a powerful combination to accelerate learning, at least in my experience.
If there is a particular passages that really stands out I will note it down. I have a little collection of those (and other quotes) I sometimes read through.
I also tried writing in the margins on a book. I don’t like writing in the book due to it losing a lot of ability to shared after the fact, or if the book isn’t mine it’s a non-starter. That said, it was a very different experience, it was more like having a conversation with the author.
I may need to experiment more to try and find something that works.
I also believe I spend much more of my mental capacity on reason rather than recall. I think I have gotten slightly better at reasoning due to that, just going off how I feel when I try to reason about things; I feel more lucid than I used to. Trying to "remember" things is really more of a mechanical process for me than it is a mental one. I think of some keyword that is vaguely related to the concept I'm interested in, and then hop around the hyperlinks and backlinks in my notes until I find what I'm looking for.
Sometimes I will start this process to find a spot that I want to start writing a new note, only to discover that I have actually written the note already! That is always a trip when it happens.
Before they started writing regularly they were just a Zambit and look at them now. And who knows, you could make beebman following their method.
I can barely remember anything but vague events and characters. Like, my favorite book is Canticle for Leibowitz which I've read multiple times but I couldn't even tell you the main characters name other than he's a priest-type of character and what the general book is about.
I guess one benefit of that is that I can read the same book over and over and over again but like you said, it feels so strange/wrong that I can't remember so much more.
Reading more complicated things like G.E.B., Michel de Montaigne, etc is practically pointless for me, I won't remember any of the theories/quotes and it feels practically useless to even go through. By the time I'm on chapter 5 I've probably forgotten 1-4.
If you cannot retrieve a few timeless (to you or in general) quotes/concepts/dialogues and a few trending ones (trending in big or small circles) - there is some amount of info/tasks overload going on.
Also I think we find people who can "bring up quotes and concepts with freakish accuracy" cool for some reasons.
Once upon a time a man wanted to be handed the title of a poet, so he went to the king of poets at his time, and asked him to give him the title of a poet. The king of poets asked the man, "Do you memorize tens of thousands of the best poetry?", the man said "I do not", the king of poems asked of him: "go memorize them then come back to me". The man went to a faraway isolated monastary, spend a couple of years memorizing the poems, then came back to the king of poets shouting in excitement "I've memorized the tens of thousands of poems! Can you hand me the title of a poet now?". The king of poets asked of him "Now forget them".
Only after years again spent in the monastery forgetting the poems, was the man given the title of a poet.
(Side note: this story also kinda remind me of LLMs, and how they kind of "memorize" text initially but the more data is poured in the more they "forget" the exact texts)
It can be found on the Internet Archive: https://web.archive.org/web/20130117104220/http://dobelli.co...
This orange site I have mixed feelings about though.
I guess roughly, this is right. But there's more to add. I have a brain with a certain configuration. This configuration is partly genetic and partly environmental. The environmental part has been shaped by every sensory input so far, including all the books. However, some books resonate well. They make me think about the topic weeks after finishing them. Other books don't resonate at all. My brain's is not fit for them. It just ja sequence of words (e.g., the books my high school literature teacher made me read).
I guess humans aren't a ANN that treats every training sample equal. Our brain has a mechanism to put more or less weight on sensory input given previous input. Some ideas are utterly confusing and don't stick at all. I think this happens a lot when people of different religions or political camps interact.
I think books we do resonate with can have a larger impact for the reasons you mentioned, but I think they all have an impact.
I like to think of books as planets, and you're a spaceship. If you're not paying attention, as you graze a planet it'll slightly alter your course. Maybe in perceptibly so. If you are aware of it and resonate with it, you can kind of use its gravity to swing you into a different direct -- presumably onto a direction you want to go in.
I've always liked to say "free will isn't your current decision, but your previous one"
At the end of the day, you are still making the choice, even if you are using your previous experiences. As in you would still have the option to disregard your previous experiences and arbitrarily make a new decision.
A good way to think about it is the description of Mycroft Holmes by Sherlock Holmes;
"The conclusions of every department are passed to him, and he is the central exchange, the clearinghouse, which makes out the balance. All other men are specialists, but his specialism is omniscience. We will suppose that a minister needs information as to a point which involves the Navy, India, Canada and the bimetallic question; he could get his separate advices from various departments upon each, but only Mycroft can focus them all, and say offhand how each factor would affect the other. They began by using him as a short-cut, a convenience; now he has made himself an essential. In that great brain of his everything is pigeon-holed and can be handed out in an instant."
Authors start with a short draft that is only juice and then add spam to make it into a book. That initial juice is the summaries of chapters that you find on the last page or two. The initial part of the chapter is just fluff and examples to drill the point down because they think you need 10 examples for each concept in order to justify paying as much for a blog post as you would for a book.
I would apply this to fiction books too. Some people consider reading fiction books a waste of time.
But fiction books too can expand your mind by exploring ideas that may not be possible in non-fiction books or exploring the same ideas but in a way that non-fiction books cannot achieve easily or at all.
We've all had that moment when reading fiction where we instantly recognise something and think to ourselves, 'huh, so I'm not the only one!'
For this reason, I think that fiction is an invaluable aspect of human communication.
-Mortimer J Adler
I think this quote applies too.
There are definitely some forms of fiction that are less enlightening than others, but even the “lowest” forms are generally time better spent than scrolling the internet or watching random TV channels.
This gives natural spaced repetition on the good stuff, and also you pick up different things in subsequent readings.
The biggest problem with all of this is simply that it's very time consuming. But when doing a pointed, intentional "deep dive" into something specific, I've found it to be effective.
Sometimes we want to eat those Chicken 'n' Waffles, just like sometimes we go on a trashy TV show binge! It's just a small thing that serves as a comforting release, and we shouldn't let the guilt overcome us!
I read a ton of what even I consider "fluff". Science fiction, fantasy, mystery, adventure, horror. Novels that get unceremoniously lumped under "genre fare".
But even if the primary motivation is entertainment, I can honestly say that from a young age, reading lots of anything exposed me to new ideas, ways of thinking, and perspectives.
Even something as simple as spelling and vocabulary seem to come a lot easier, if only due to having seen so many words written out over time. I remember being a kid and never really having issues with spelling or knowing most words because I'd at least run across them already.
That's not to say reading more "serious" material is useless. It just isn't an either/or question.
One way to think about it is that reading on the internet, no matter how casual, is like scattering seeds on the soil of your mind. Some of these seeds will grow into trees and influence your actions and decisions, whether you're aware of it or not.
In Hindu/Buddhist philosophy there is a concept of "Samyama"(https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Samyama) and "No-Mind" (one aspect - https://thetealetter.com/japanese-tea-ceremony/mushin-discov...). What this means is that when you are reading/working/etc. on something, your mind is completely occupied with it to the exclusion of everything else. Even if that activity is of only a very short duration your mind is completely possessed by it and when it ends, your mind drops everything to do with it and moves on to the next activity to occupy itself completely. This is the basic idea behind meditation/mindfulness/etc.
It's not uncommon to discover that some clever ideas I thought I came up with have been, in fact, read in a book. Humbling.
The thing is, you cannot get to that point by following productivity hacks. It's true that most divulgation books can we summarized in 2 pages. But the way good authors present the same idea again and again, through different examples and viewpoints is what remains in your brain.
The short version is this: there’s nothing inherent about the format of a book that makes it ideal for learning. It is mostly a historical consequence of the fact that scratching symbols onto stone or paper, then replicating that paper/stone is easier to develop than recording and playing back audio or video. Human beings spent thousands of years using languages that were purely spoken ones, and writing is a fairly recent thing historically speaking.
If somehow it became possible to record and play back spoken language thousands of years ago, writing might have never become a widespread thing at all. Even today, speech is how the vast majority of the world uses language. Let’s not forget how influential the book form has been on thought, from the Bible to the Quran, etc.
And so if you brush away the mystique and legacy of books and think about what an ideal learning format would be, I think it would be quite different from a book. Probably it would incorporate audiovisuals, spaced repetition, and some form of storytelling.
All of this is about reading for information, not for pleasure. But I don’t primarily read fiction for information in the first place.
1. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=20940944, https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=23319599, https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=38095507, https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=39521964
If the same amount of time and care were put into, say a YouTube video, I'd prefer the video. But that's very rare. My reading is 100% informational however, so I am biased in that regard.
I read a lot of fiction books, mainly classics for pleasure. And what I found unique is that only in books I have access to the interior monologue of the characters, their thoughts, and on some occasions, direct access to their "stream of consciousness".
I love it, and I discovered that some characters (but in reality it's the authors) have a similar process of thought, and some others do not, and notice and sense things differently ...
There is a general assumption, I think, that fiction isn’t really worth reading and that serious people only read nonfiction. I don’t think I could disagree more. Really good fiction is entirely its own unique thing.
Personally, I find reading is a much more interactive activity. You can seek, you can skip, you can summarize, you can repeat. Innoway, it is much closer and deeper than a conversation with another person. And definitely much closer than a video audio recording of that person, which is more like a speech than a conversation.
Which is a long way of saying that memory-optimized video content would be very different from YouTube videos.
To give you a specific example (lets not call it crap this time). I've read more communist literature than I can list right now and I'm a social democrat and think Marx is full of flaws and communism is a hugely flawed economic system.
You are shaped by what you read, but not in the basic "you'll agree with what you read".
My point is more like, do you want to devote a bunch of your thinking time to arguments about communism or politics in general? Maybe you do and that's great, but I very much don't. I've thought about politics plenty in the past and formed my opinions already. I'm not a politician and don't care to evangelize my political beliefs. I have very limited time these days and I want to spend that time thinking about other things. Things that matter to me.
I follow people who post useful and interesting things on those topics. However, those people also frequently discuss politics. And although I know those posts aren't why I follow those people, seeing them constantly makes them impossible to ignore. I end up spending time thinking about stuff I know I don't want to spend time on, even later when I'm not reading it. So I mute the words "liberal", "conservative", and a whole lot of others. Now I can follow those people but still spend my time thinking about the things that matter to me instead of politics. And over time, that literally changes my brain.
If you don't have the means or the time to travel then your next best option is reading.
The same can be said about reading. Reading the entire One Piece manga series is not necessarily gonna broaden your horizons.
Not sure what the schedules are nowadays, but my uncle was an airline pilot with KLM and had a schedule which was 5 weeks work, 4 weeks off. He did that for about 20 years.
There was a point in my life when I was very self-conscious about the fact I haven't really traveled by some people's standards. It kinda gave birth to that silly desire to "compete", to mark as "visited" as many countries as I could. And, I mean, traveling sure is nice, there was some void I filled doing that. But it was much quicker than I could expect, that this contest of sorts became totally meaningless, and I found out that I cannot even tell how many "countries" I visited.
First off, if the only time I was in a country was a long time ago on some guided tour, it somehow feels dishonest to me now to say I've "been there". I feel like I need a refresher for it to actually count. Like, otherwise it's as good as seeing a movie. Right?
Then, the mere saying that "I have visited a country" became kind of meaningless. What does it mean, to visit France? Nice is very different from Paris. Spending a couple of weeks in Alpine mountains (technically in France) kinda isn't what people mean when they say they've been in France. So, how much of it I need to see to say I've traveled France?
Ok, probably it makes more sense to count cities. But what does it mean to visit a city? Do 6 hours in the downtown while I wait for a connecting flight count? Do a couple of days meaninglessly wandering the city count? Does a work trip (which I mostly spent in some office and in some hotel) count? Does spending several night drunk and high in Paris count "visiting Paris" same as walking famous museums and such? What is "better"?
Maybe I should rather limit my accounting to specific places, like offices, restaurants, museums? Like, instead of saying that I've been to Paris, should I say "I've been in Louvre"? By the way, how many days do you need to "see Louvre"? How long do I have to stare at each paining for it to count? Does it count at all, if I have no fucking idea what I'm staring at, and there's nobody to tell me, why it's significant?
I don't want to sound cliche, especially in that way, but, honestly, I cannot even say that I'm completely familiar with the city I've been living in for the most of my life. There is not a "good enough" degree of "visiting a place". It doesn't exist. Your "traveling" isn't necessarily more meaningful than airline pilot's "traveling" (or "commuting", as another person in this thread tried to insult them). And there is no such thing as "experience other cultures and ways of life". Experience your life and culture first and then come back to talk. (I wish to add "in the next life", but it's not like that "next life" of yours can be totally identical to the one you live now, even if it is spent at the same place, so I guess you'll have to experience it first too.)
I wanted to also say a couple of things about reading the books, but this post is excessively large as it is. So, to summarize, all these "horizon broadening" contests are just vain and meaningless. Do whatever you want, read or visit whatever you want, and don't feel inadequate if you don't.
I learned this during Covid when I started taking walks in the city I live in (Berlin) and realized I had only explored a tiny part of it in the fifteen years or so I have lived there.
Someone who has read about the history of a place before visiting is likely to get much more out of it than someone who just visits and admires the sites. For example having knowledge of Roman roads and bridges is going to enhance your experience if you are fortunate enough to come across one on your travels.
Given the choice between one or the other, ultimately, I would go with reading - you can travel so much farther and more broadly in your mind.
Mass media (electronic media in particular) tends to encourage the user to seek many shallow impressions that do not always leave deep and permanent marks. So, any single impression doesn't leave a big mark or define your character. But deeper study into a single topic or work does have a profound effect on who you are.
The books you read make you as much as you want them to make you. You get out of them what you put into them. If you're consuming books but not able to recall much from them, then you're not putting enough into them.
I especially don't like the Emerson quote because of how consumerist it is in its sentiment. It's a self-soothing license to passively consume and relieve oneself from any obligations to work to derive deeper substance from what they consume.
One of my project ideas now that has been building in my mind is, 12 years on, to go back and re-read and re-evaluate many of these links, and do a short write-up on how I've been influence by this article or any explicit choices that I've made in my life that could likely be attributed to it. I think this would be fascinating from a psychological/neurological POV but also a really cool chance to reflect on how I've changed/grown as a person.
https://www.bloomsbury.com/us/how-to-talk-about-books-you-ha...
The more I practiced mindful reading, the better I got at many things (from work, finances, to friendship and marriage).
I can attribute this to what seems pretty obvious - apply what you learn or think deeply about it to understand its meaning to you.
One interesting finding that I never seen in any blog is the notes part (https://notes.jim-nielsen.com/) where the author shows the notes he collected from various sources with his comments.
This one (https://notes.jim-nielsen.com/#2024-04-15T0822) from The Node.js Documentary, especially his comment, is outstanding:
A big company is like a giant ship that has to start making its turn a mile before the actual turn itself. Whereas the community is comprised of thousands of small, distributed boats that can make (in contrast) hairpin turns.But i've started to get back into it, realising that I don't need to take notes, because I rarely referred to them anyway and jus listening to audiobooks is engaging my mind in these topics in ways I might be able to fully grasp at the time and the idea that I need to leave with a notebook full of ideas after the end of a book just isn't true.
(It was Albert Camus' The Plague for me, revealing something of a transition from hopeful idealism to rather jaded realism).
Example - if all matter we interact with in our world (and manipulate) is essentially compiled in different formations but derived from the very same essence of building blocks. . . then every living organism and inate object is inherently linked together somehow, someway.
The same goes then, for human experience (and thus a reflection of material basis and external fields applied). If a ferromagnetic material (iron) is capable of becoming ferromagnetic permanently and also capable of existing without, then not only is the inherent expectation of matter to transform from one form to another; external experiences applicably experienced result in the same manifestation.
But once again - If you happen to concede the notion that all things in the physical universe are essentially built from the same blocks, then so are the experiences of humans as well and as expected would appear to be connected in some way as well. Meaning, the experience affects the subatomic or quantum levels, thus changing quantum properties resulting in a formal change to the underlying building blocks (genes, DNA copy, etc). That's my take.
To me, this OP is just an example of exposing this on a philosophic level.
Everything gets connected and stored away. Repeated every night. The knowledge you have gets connected with the new information you receive. The more knowledge you have the more valuable new information gets. At some point there is simply very little new information about a topic and the topic bores you.
Does this mean I'll never escape the influence of those decades of corporate email?
I like to believe the internet is a great enabler when it comes to finding or accessing information, unfortunately discovery has become progressively worse for a long time now.
The internet is also a massive distraction as Sturgeon's Law applies fully, and certain participants optimize for capturing attention with low value content. It definitely holds us back, and leads to multiple adverse outcomes.
imo, engaging with the current day Internet must be done carefully as it's not all good, some days that works better than others.
This is how we are able to use ambiguous language, also known as "Context-Sensitive Grammar". We provide our own backstory (context) that provides a Just-In-Time unambiguous definition of each ambiguous word or phrase.
There is a lot of excitement around LLMs, because they are capable of doing something with Context-Sensitive Grammar. Unfortunately, that something is not equivalent to the arbitrary disambiguation that we do using context. The core feature of an LLM (with respect to natural language processing) is that it never defines anything. Instead, an LLM blindly provides whatever text it deems "most likely to happen next", all without ever associating any text to any meaning. We wrap this process in "training", which hopefully guides common interactions in the direction we want, but that is never a guarantee.
But how had I come to believe in this idea in the first place? A
combination of my own experience and other things I'd read.
None of which I could at that moment remember! And eventually
I'd forget that Hilbert had confirmed it too. But my increased
belief in the importance of this idea would remain something I'd
learned from this book, even after I'd forgotten I'd learned it.
Reading and experience train your model of the world. And even
if you forget the experience or what you read, its effect on your
model of the world persists. Your mind is like a compiled program
you've lost the source of. It works, but you don't know why.
The place to look for what I learned from Villehardouin's chronicle
is not what I remember from it, but my mental models of the
crusades, Venice, medieval culture, siege warfare, and so on.
Which doesn't mean I couldn't have read more attentively, but at
least the harvest of reading is not so miserably small as it might
seem.
This is one of those things that seem obvious in retrospect. But it
was a Surprise to me and presumably would be to anyone else
who felt uneasy about (apparently) forgetting so much they'd
read.
Realizing it does more than make you feel a little better about
forgetting, though. There are specific implications.
For example, reading and experience are usually "compiled" at
the time they happen, using the state of your brain at that time.
The same book would get compiled differently at different points
in your life. Which means it is very much worth reading important
books multiple times. I always used to feel some misgivings
about rereading books. I unconsciously lumped reading together
with work like carpentry, where having to do something again is a
sign you did it wrong the first time. Whereas now the phrase
"already read" seems almost ill-formed.
[1] P. Graham. How you know. Dec 2014.People complain about the extent to which we anthropomorphize GPT-class models, but I gain just as much from backporting the analogies that work for LLMs to my own experience.
Because I can read a book without taking such a huge amount of notes, which makes it easier to stay with those ideas and quicker to read and then I can load a PDF of the book into an LLM and chat with it about the concepts in the book, use it to produce notes, or discuss ideas that were in it and ask it to cross reference it.
It also makes it easier for me to come back to it several months later, I find that this can be better than my notes, as if i remember something from a book that is now relevant, can be loaded into an AI and ask it about that specific part and the quotes that are relevant.
Now I have started taking advantage of this using Anki. Whenever I read something having a particularly interesting or thought-provoking idea, I find a way to create flashcard(s) out of it. Now I am able to recall these things more often and many times they have guided me in my life or helping out friends.
E.g., to help "remember" I have a general purpose file that I read/write with my favorite text editor and with some surprising statistics:
Date started: September 2nd, 2005
Number of entries: 8412
Number of lines: 60,436
Number of bytes: 4,736,380
Really simple. Works really well.
A little laptop computer handles this file for zero apparent effort.
Of course, a lot more can be done, e.g., something like everyone having a Google just for their own life, but it is shocking how much can be done with just the statistics here.
Roger Ailes, Edward Bernays, and William Randolph Hearst applied similar principles, leaving lasting influences on the course of American history: one bent a hundred-fifty million Americans towards a retreaded version of the Nixon ideology, one made cigarettes appeal to women and had democracies overthrown for fruit companies, and the latter decided how to spin the news, became a Nazi, and nearly convinced America fascism was a "good idea".
I don't see how any human alive, unless they lived under a rock, can reasonably trace the origin of any of their beliefs or preferences. So, I must conclude beliefs, preferences, and ideologies are more or less arbitrary because most people don't spend metacognition effort on analyzing their formation or their change.
Tell me your habits, I will tell you who you are.
Try writing a poem. Mine were so obviously regurgitations of past material consumed that I realized that to output anything original, I had to develop an individuality by starving the creative neurons, so to speak.
Of course, this is only restricted to fields where one would like to produce novel output. You're free to read academic papers, etc; But if you want to write original sci-fi, start by not reading sci-fi.
Novelty is not born in a vacuum devoid of input. It comes from internalizing/assimilating a whole lot of concepts/ideas only after which can you manifest new things from it.
In Martial Arts (also applicable to other fields) there is a saying;
In the beginning the student knows nothing and hence can move freely but not effectively; as he starts learning he is confused/all-mixed-up and cannot move freely nor effectively; but finally when he masters the movement, he has internalized it and hence can move freely and effectively.
In philosophy too a "Master of Wisdom" is said to revert to "the original child-like state" (but with the knowledge of the world in hand).
Does anybody have a link to Nietzsche's reading list? It seems it is hard to find things on the internet lately.
Depending on where you are in life, a book can model, confront, polish, and/or destroy (no always a net negative) your core principles – either passively or intentionally, by taking notes and rereading.
In RAG you "know" what the model knows and it's easy for it to give sources - you literally give it to the model in the prompt.
In finetuning, the model learns something, but it might not be able to reproduce it perfectly later on. But it's models have been changed.
> Education is something you have even if you don't remember anything
Though the professor's test is just as poor quality as the whole blog's conversation where intellectual exercise is compared to remembering breakfasts
Are they simply a time weighted average of the media viewpoints I consume?
"We become what we behold"
This can sound like spiritual woo-woo but that's the distillation of a pretty good scientific model. More here: https://saigaddam.medium.com/consciousness-is-a-consensus-me...
And you are… maybe in the sense that it always remains in your unconscious. But what use is that? Memory and learning is about being able to pull things out of the subconscious (unconcious?).
Look at any serious craft or activity where people have to learn things. They learn by doing. Doing things as realistically as possible is better. And doing-learning also transfers to talk/read-learning (discussing how to do something). Meanwhile talk/read-learning does not transfer to doing-learning as much.
Frankly our culture overrates book-learning. By a long shot. This might not seem the case because now frequent long-form reading can be regarded as a practically monastic activity, what with all the stupid alternatives we have at our disposal. But book reading and learning hardly ever directly translates to practical learning.
This attitude (of Emerson’s) sounds like Behavioralism. That you’re whatever input you have processed. I find Chomsky’s Nativism and Rationalism to be more compelling. Consider a socialist who reads 500 liberal think tank pieces. He’s more likely to either be as socialist by the end or more (double-down effect).
> I have to constantly remind myself of this. Especially in an environment that prioritizes optimizing and maximizing personal productivity, where it seems if you can’t measure (let alone remember) the impact of a book in your life then it wasn’t worth reading.
This for sure is a problem if you have set some goal of reading one book every week. But that goal is borne out of that exact same Optimization Mindset. Most people don’t fret over how many Good Words pass by their eyes in a year.
[1] the book Make it Stick
> Consider a socialist who reads 500 liberal think tank pieces. He’s more likely to either be as socialist by the end or more (double-down effect).
Rhetorically assuming this is truth, he’s also a socialist who has a better grasp on the liberal perspective. He’s a different socialist than his comrade who’s never bothered to explore liberal writing.