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Can anyone say what user data ByteDance might share with the Chinese government?

Also, how is China an adversary? I thought the USA and China were trading partners.

China no longer wants to be an underdog and wants to be a super power itself, thus forming geopolitical rivalry with USA.

so put your big boy pants on and compete!!

Don't run under grampa Biden's rocking chair and hope he doesn't glide over your tail.

Tell that to China that does not allow Facebook, Instagram and Youtube in China. They have access to 400 million americans but we can't have access to 1 billion Chinese people? China was running a long time a go

Western platforms were losing to Chinese ones in PRC before they were blocked. When hammer came down to enforce onerous human moderation on ALL platforms in PRC, western platforms chose not to comply, because adding layer of human moderation at the time wasn't worth the cost/optics. This was a time when PRC domestic platforms had 10,000s of humans in the loop and western ones had essentially none. Why do you think Facebook and Google both had internal projects to re-enter PRC market after they scaled up human moderation in west? That's what fair competition is - facebook, google et al blocking what PRC gov wants blocked and handing over info on dissident according to who PRC says are dissidents. All expensive things PRC platforms has to do. AKA "fair" competitive enironment. Thinking western platforms should compete in PRC without following PRC laws is insipid. Fair would also be the TikTok/Oracle JV where Oracle responsible for US interests, like PRC has for Microsoft. Nevermind half the reason western platforms were blocked was because they were unmoderated platforms that helped organize extremist attacks that caused 2009 minority riots. It's one thing to block TikTok if TikTok allowed 9/11 and refused to do anything about it, it's another when they do what every other US platform does, but just better.

Ah, okay, so it's a competition, and the USA thinks it might not win because the Chinese gov might see the videos Yanks view on TikTok.

Tell China to let Facebook, Instagram, Youtube in China and then it will be a fair competition.

Your whataboutism leads the USA to the bottom, which, coincidentally, the USA is winning anyway.

We are trading partners for sure but the American model and Chinese model are fundamentally opposed. For the last 10-15 years, tensions have been getting hotter because Xi has been consolidating power and flexing his strength across the region and exporting censorship. You can look at Hong Kong as an example of this. It's clear China doesn't want to live under a Western hegemony and has been trying to get more power and the US sees this. Trump instituted tariffs and we've also banned Huawei 5G equipment and it's all in the interest of national security and China hasn't liked this. So things have been going back and forth. TikTok is just seen as a scary possibility in that they could influence American minds at a scale that is unprecedented. There's a law in the US that no foreign entity can own a large share of any US broadcasting company. This is just to prevent hostile takeovers and controlling media. This is pretty similar to that in that TikTok is a media company and the US wants to exert that same control. User data is a red herring and honestly the least of the concern if you think about the soft power they control with the TikTok algorithm. Even though we have a trading relationship, things have been heating up under the surface for decades.

So many yanks downvoting rather than answering the question.

For world leaders, you sure do fail at leading.

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=40146536

It's just bonkers.

If the USA was really a leader, then it would lead; it wouldn't need to throw its toys out of the pram when someone does something better than it can.

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