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The gardening leave still works as long as it's beneficial to both parties. The employee gets an effective long, paid holiday and the company gets a non-complete equivalent. Now they have to really ensure that pay is worth more than changing the employer though.

It's less "end of at-will" and more "if you want effective non-competes, it's going to cost you".

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Or the employee agreement you sign includes a notice period of 6 months from either side.

I think you're right that negotiated gardening leave will happen but I can also see companies baking in the gardening leave at the start of employment (so no longer at will) as being cheaper.

> Or the employee agreement you sign includes a notice period of 6 months from either side.

Those are illegal in at-will states.

Source? My understanding is that at-will states have a default presumption of at-will employment in the absence of a contract, but parties are free to contract alternatively. Which states invalidate mutually agreed upon notice periods?

You are right and my memory was faulty:(

It’s not illegal, but from what I understand an excessively long notice period would very likely be shot down by the courts. There are a lot of arguments to be made here (for example, what’s stopping an employer from putting a 5 year notice period from day 1 if they can put an arbitrary one?). I imagine if companies do increase it or introduce one in general, it would be closer to 1 month, maybe 2, not 6.

They are not illegal, and even if there is a grey area good luck defending.

I worked at a hedge fund in NYC. I gave my 2 week notice. HR said that the employee contract that I signed when I joined stated a minimum of a 4 month notice period. This would have completely killed my next job which I already accepted.

I should have known this was in the employee agreement, but I didn't know they they would threaten lawyers on me if I didn't stay 3 months.

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