I also wonder about how much tech the Chinese gov got out of the China Tesla factory to help build the Chinese EV competitors, which are also eating into their market share.
China can compete because they have serious engineering talent which had a long time to learn and both government and private industry, which recognized a major trend and managed to capitalize on it. To be frank the "stealing of R&D" is pure cope by people who do not want to acknowledge that the Chinese can actually make competent cars.
Given enough time, people, resources and focus, one can definitely capitalize on this. They have all that and it should be acknowledged.
It’s so weird. Tesla uses Chinese batteries because they’re simply better. Batteries are the most important part of a EV. China’s EV industry was already huge by the time Gigafactory Shanghai opened. Tesla China isn’t even a joint venture. It’s fully owned by Tesla.
But here, a user boldly and confidently claims that the CCP stole Tesla tech which allowed Chinese companies to dominate the EV industry. As if Tesla has some kind of secret tech that China stole in 2020 and within 1-2 years, Chinese EVs are now much better because of that secret.
People here seem to think so little of Chinese people. I wonder if they’ve ever stepped inside a Silicon Valley company before and find that most of them have a huge number of both Chinese Americans and Chinese foreigners in R&D. But I suppose people think that the Chinese in America are only smart because they’re under the supervision of Americans. Chinese in China must be dumb.
I do not think Chinese are dumb at all. They're definitely gaining footholds in different sectors that America is supposedly strong in and that is not something a "dumb" nation would be able to accomplish. Underestimating people in these situations would probably be fatal.
My issues are with the CCP / Chinese gov and not the people themselves. Probably as a result of said propaganda. One can dislike a government and still respect its people.
> It's fully owned by Tesla
Is it really? Correct me here. I currently think that foreign businesses in China must be partially owned by a Chinese entity and that eventually leads to some form of CCP meddling.
And yes, Tesla China is wholly owned by Tesla USA.
The problem I’m pointing out is that people here automatically assume that China steals in order to compete. They never give China credit. Since China actually leads in EV, they don’t have to steal. It’s companies like Ford, GM, Volkswagen that have to steal from Chinese companies.
Good joke!
Not sure why you think it’s a joke. Just check the state of Ford, GM, and Volkswagen EVs. They’re significantly behind.
I don’t get the feeling that HN belittles Chinese people or any particular race. What I do feel is that HN is pro freedom of speech and pro democracy. The idea that a dictatorship can advance beyond us is a scary thought. It is scary because it means maybe the freedoms we now enjoy may in fact be detrimental to humanity’s progress. This, I believe, is why you may see more anti-CCP opinions on HN.
At the end of the day, it’s always about power and money.