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It seems like it's been 3 decades and no one ever learns the lesson that normal people don't want to put a computer on their face. It's a weird thing to do.

As for productivity, typing would have to... work...? For this product to be useful.

Otherwise, VR remains a gaming product.

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A lot of people have made a lot of money arguing that users want immersive computing, and the more immersive it is, the more they'll pay for it — therefore, the next biggest VR product is gonna be The Big One. It doesn't seem like it's going to pay off.

Many people want immersive computing, for sure.

But whether today's technology can actually deliver that (at any price point) is what everyone is arguing about.

unfortunately, AVP has ignored gaming altogether (to apple it is an annoyance). At least it could have had some kind of push forward of the industry in that front. The resolution is not yet good enough for work either. The only thing that it does well right now is laid back video/media entertainment, and that's it.

Chicken-and-egg problem. There won't be VR games that take full advantage of the AVP unless there's enough of a market for them.

Given how badly the PSVR 2 flopped, it may be too risky for game devs currently.

I don't think they ignored gaming; they just knew they would fail if they designed a gaming-first device.

Their best bet to bootstrap the platform is to make it computing-first around the iPad platform, and that means leading with multitasking, AR/MR, and with computing-oriented inputs.

Actually they should’ve limited it to being a spatial computing productivity headset to enhance the productivity of actual professional Mac users, like 3D artists, music producers, programmers, etc. They could’ve severely reduced the size and weight of the headset, maybe even made it glasses form, if they simply anchored it, wirelessly even, to a nearby Mac.

From there they could’ve expanded the spatial capabilities over time and eventually create a consumer version. The Vision Pro is the Newton of mixed reality.

What do you mean the resolution isn't good enough for work? I haven't had any issues reading or viewing content in it

Seems like a pretty large market of people who want to watch something in bed while their partner sleeps or watches something else. but it would need to be a lot cheaper for just that use.

This is a repeat of the HoloLens, which I'm sure is a repeat of other failures, but I lack the historical context.

I used the Hololens it was pretty janky. I will say the AVP is the first device I used that nailed the AR interaction/display stuff PERFECTLY. It really is just lacking the software ecosystem but they've got the fundamentals worked out at least. I'm hopeful it doesn't die and keeps getting developed

HoloLens didn’t fail, it just changed:

https://defensescoop.com/2023/09/21/army-awards-microsoft-95...

This feels like a thing where Apple needs to be very clear on who their early adopters are. The only situation I could see myself wanting this is if I was on a plane/train for several hours a day and needed to work or just wanted a good place for entertainment.

Seems like they haven’t really pinned that crowd down though and not being able to have multiple virtual monitors is a sales killer imo.

Cost (and style… and comfort… and…) aside, I can’t see spatial computing taking off until co-located experiences become well refined.

For instance, can a small group of people play a table top game together where half are in the room, half are remote, and the experience feels quite fluid.

Ive heard 1.2 of Vision OS has nice boardgame like experiences.

This thing makes me want to more than anything before.

But, not at that price.

Yep. Not tempted by other headsets at $400 or whatever. I’ve tried them, had access to them for free, still they just gathered dust.

Might be tempted by this one… at like $1,500. Maybe.

At $800 (I know, no way given the BOM cost alone) I’d probably already have one.

Can't you just use a physical keyboard?

We are talking about Apple, the company that has changed humanity forever. So if any compancy can make it happen, It will be Apple.

The only companies that can be considered to have changed humanity are the various European East Indian Companies. Apple is not even close to that ballpark.

Right? Apple is a blink in human technological process. People credit them with the invention of small-form-factor and HCI. They are not.

>changed humanity forever

Yeah for the worse.

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