Boston Dynamics' new electric Atlas robot is swiveling nightmare fuel
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Historically what people have found creepy about robots is when they become too human-like, especially facially - the "uncanny valley" where the face is so close to human that the slight differences give the feeling that something is wrong - like a dead body brought to life, perhaps.
What's unexpected about people feeling creeped out by this new son-of-Atlas is that it seems to be because of how un-human it is (opposite of uncanny valley!) in it's ability to rotate its head and torso and perform these double-jointed types of maneuver. Maybe in a factory setting this doesn't matter, but it's relevant in terms of robots used in other settings like hospitals. Japan seem to have the right idea in terms of making robots slightly smaller than humans and with friendly faces so that they seem non-intimidating.
Something straight out of Exorcist.
It's a bit odd to follow the human form factor (I get the logic - for a human-designed world), but then not at least also give it a human-looking head, or maybe better a dumb/cute looking head.
I wouldn't have anticipated people finding the rotation/double-jointedness creepy, but it does seem to be a fairly widespread reaction.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_VkOlvXTvLI
Meanwhile humanoids are the stuff of actual horror movies:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1c7XccFwJrQ
I'd predict that a crab-like or dog-like robot would be better accepted for home robotics for this reason. We will not want them to look like us.
The same is true for aliens. A giant bug, octopus, or quadruped is far less scary than something vaguely humanoid. Sci-fi horror aliens like the xenomorph or the "greys" hit the uncanny valley in various ways.
This robot looks good. It moves like a robot, it doesn't try to be human, and that's good.
There was going to be an uncanny valley regardless, and BD clearly decided to lean into it.
Most of these humanoid robots (e.g. TeslaBot in it's current state) walk slowly, which limits productivity. It wouldn't matter if the job was standing at an assembly station, but anything with legs is obviously targetting more general use cases such as "gofer" - fetching parts from bins, etc.
The benefit of electro-Atlas (they should have a naming competition!) is that it can essentially move or look in any direction, which means it has to walk/turn much less to get into a preferred orientation or move to a target location. It's a bit like the early "micromouse" competition entrants where they went from the initial car-like designs to omnidirectional ones (using omnidirectional wheels) so that they could change direction without needing to turn - just scoot off at 90 degrees to previous direction.
"An electric new era for Atlas"
https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=40064105
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Love to see a dissection so to speak.
But unlike with hydraulics, where Boston Dynamics have developed their own valves and pumps and organically shaped 3D printed in titanium manifolds, there is only so much that one can do differently from others with the electro-mechanical actuators and motor controllers.
Everybody is using the same brushless motors with one of a few known types of gearboxes.These technologies are so well developed that one usually has no choice but to source the components from the experts in their respective domains.
For now, the closest one can do to looking inside of the new Atlas, is to look at other modern robots. For example, here is what is inside of the Agility Robotics' bipedal robot: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YzIX2KGqpzI
And here is a teardown of a joint from a very popular Universal Robots' arm: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oje2ucwe3vI
Other than that, one can read Boston Dynamics' patents covering some of the design choices for their older robots, including for the electric quadrupeds: https://patents.google.com/?assignee=Boston+Dynamics
Must suck to always have your cutting edge tech compared with one of Elon's toys.
Given the massive impact that AI has had on the cultural conversation, I wonder how far away we are from a similar conversation about robots.
Discussion: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=40064105
Four years ago UBI was being widely discussed. Now as we get closer to needing it, discussion has all but disappeared.
IMO, the biggest challenge going forward is not technological, but instead it's convincing powerful, very dogmatic individuals, that what is essentially redistribution of wealth is a necessary thing.
Funny, I was going to reply about UBI being implemented with something like CBDC, that could be controlled by it's issuer and how it would be less equitable than obtaining money from labor. I was a die-hard Yang2020 person, so I'm very much in favor of UBI, but the implementation is extremely perilous because human evil exists.
Maybe we should just make Robot Unions.
The whole thing is going to be a lot to wrap our collective heads around. It will not be an easy path. I mean, my family escaped communism. I felt dirty as heck writing "redistribution of wealth" in my previous comment.
The funny thing here is that we are at a period in the history of capitalism where it has succeeded so wildly, that it's about to make it's core societal tenants obsolete.
Along similar lines, I wondered about generative AI and how legally, it's not able to create copyrightable work. I really like that, it makes humans necessary for the creation intellectual property. Maybe in the future, each child born gets some allocation of AI agents when they turn 18, and the fruits of the labor of those agents would be assigned to that adult?
If you suffer from arthritis and need something from the topmost shelf, you can theoretically find paid help, but it takes some time to arrange and wait for, and most people respond by coping somehow (e.g. limiting their use of furniture to the subset easily reached).
A robot could do it for you on demand.
That said, maybe people would stop walking altogether, and simply let themselves being carried around their own house by robots. All such conveniences can turn to evil.