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Germany is flunking the education test

economist.com

5 pointsur-whale4 comments

if you look at german demographics you might find that a lot of those kids just aren't ethnic germans, their parents don't speak good german very often, much less can they really help with math, and if they're on social money they can't pay for training outside of school... And if the teacher has a few low performers everyone else learns slower, since the school system isn't made to push high performers, it's to average everyone - at least in my experience.

"...Germany's population grew by 1.3% (+1,122,000 people) in 2022..."

https://www.destatis.de/EN/Themes/Society-Environment/Popula...

"In 2022, around 739,000 children were born in Germany, according to provisional results..."

https://www.destatis.de/EN/Themes/Society-Environment/Popula...

Migrant backgrounds in schools

https://www.statista.com/statistics/921215/national-and-migr...

From my own experience with syrian refugee kids. They could talk german better than their parents, but they couldn't draw a square in 3rd class.

The school system seems completely antiquated. I was driving back from Switzerland to the Ruhrgebiet with some Germans and we drove past a Hauptschule in their home town and they pointed at it and said to me “if you go to this sort of school you are completely fucked”. Factor in the likelihood that these kids are much more likely to be non biodeutsch and it seems like institutionalised shit education for Ausländer.

It’s a pity because Germany has a huge immigrant population but it’s hard to imagine a country with a culture more poorly suited for immigration. The destiny of these kids is to fill all the shitty jobs whilst the white biodeutsch get the good ones. And the school system is set up to ensure this happens.

I have a phd and I work in Germany as a scientist but I guess if I had kids here they would be forced very early on at the age of ten towards the life of a baker or a bus driver or something similar. I will leave Germany, thankfully.

the problem to me always was that the dumb kids need more guidance and for a longer time, giving them shorter education time is probably adding to the problem. You're not completely fcked when u go to "hauptschule", you can always work to get the next best graduation. Would look like this:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hauptschulabschluss -> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mittlere_Reife -> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abitur -> Bachelor -> PHD

But it's more work, paperwork and your parents have to be supportive and be able to push you financially and with tutoring and stuff. Someone with a wife and 2 kids and no second income won't be able to push unless they're a manager. You gotta be extremely resilient to go this path, and that's not what's being cultivated in Hauptschule.

so yes, you're right. Migrant kids have it harder, but since they're like 50% of the population now, the whole system will have to change if Germany wants to keep its title as thorough, smart, engineering nation.

Bein German without kids, I was fortunate, my father brought home enough to pay rent for my university. I'm not smart enough and failed my bachelor though. But without a next generation, it's all been for nothing, feels that way.

https://archive.ph/G0nbZ

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