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Here in the UK soon they're going to start charging 10 pounds a day for residential vehicles that aren't zero pollution, commercial vehicles a day 60 pounds a day. Eventually leading to ban on fossil fuel vehicles. These fines can change cross regions.

Regardless of what you think of the environment, this may be less consumer driven then governmental driven by policy. Something to think about anyway.

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Here in the NL they'll soon lift the road tax exemption for e-vehicles, and since it's weight based, EV-owners are going to pay, and fuel vehicles will become more interesting again.

I'm am pretty certain that EVs won't end up being much cheaper than ICE cars. Finland cars in general have high tax burden. And you have to fund the roads from somewhere. If you can't separate electricity at home it means adding taxes on EVs in some other way...

Does the tax scale to first power of weight or the fourth?

IMHO unfortunately (but I'm no EV owner) not. But enough to suddenly cost you at least a thousand euros/year extra.

Source? There is a similar charge in London, that's all I know of

> Source? There is a similar charge in London, that's all I know of

https://www.thisismoney.co.uk/money/cars/article-10127557/Al...

10 quid a day?! That's ludicrous.

I don't live in the UK but I do wonder: is the infrastructure there truly ready? And does the average car owner think the whole charging time debacle is there as far as every day workability goes?

It would be ludicrous, but it's not true.

https://motorway.co.uk/sell-my-car/guides/ulez-compliant-car...

Again there are certain zones and fines can varie.

That's to drive your 17+ year old car into a particular zone, nothing like what was described above.

Euro 6 diesel cars, or those produced in 2015 and prior, and Euro 4 petrol cars, or those produced 2006 or prior, have to pay £12.50 each day they enter.

https://www.fleetnews.co.uk/news/call-for-early-ban-on-diese...

Right 17 years... Sarcasm

You said:

> Here in the UK soon they're going to start charging 10 pounds a day for residential vehicles that aren't zero pollution, commercial vehicles a day 60 pounds a day.

which is plainly not true.

> You said: > > > Here in the UK soon they're going to start charging 10 pounds a day for residential vehicles that aren't zero pollution, commercial vehicles a day 60 pounds a day. > > which is plainly not true.

My statement holds true as this does take place in the UK. I did clarify in a follow-up post that this takes place in certain zones in the UK. You conveniently left off about the different zones your quote from the original post. The number of these zones in the UK is increasing. People are indeed being charged per day for car is much newer than 17 years old. Legislation has passed to ban sale gasoline vehicles in the UK in 2035.

Legislation is driving EV sales which may not be representative the consumer. I don't disagree with improving our environment however it's hard to tease the effect this is having on the consumer choice with this type of legislation.

Charging 10 pounds a day per vehicle will certainly go a long way towards upgrading infrastructure, if that's the idea behind it. Hopefully it'll be spent appropriately.

Have you got any links about that?

I don't drive so haven't been keeping up.

These zones are continuing to expand and there's plans to cover the EU.

https://motorway.co.uk/sell-my-car/guides/ulez-compliant-car...

https://www.thisismoney.co.uk/money/cars/article-10127557/Al...

https://www.london.gov.uk/programmes-strategies/environment-...

Again these fines change by district.

The push to ban gas for new cars.

https://www.fleetnews.co.uk/news/call-for-early-ban-on-diese...

"London introduced the ULEZ, which charges older, more polluting cars a fee to enter the city, in 2019.

Euro 6 diesel cars, or those produced in 2015 and prior, and Euro 4 petrol cars, or those produced 2006 or prior, have to pay £12.50 each day they enter.

T&E says that by replicating low emissions zones in cities throughout the country, the UK could enhance its energy security."

[Citation needed]

See above

I drive in the UK, and this is certainly news to me.

I mean, I'm firmly in the pro-EV camp, but how the fuck are lower-class people not rioting in the streets daily? 3.6k a year just because you're too poor to afford a new 40k+ vehicle, and that on top of inflation and Brexit aftereffects? That's frankly insane.

They're not rioting because that's probably just a rumor and rumors are a dime a dozen billion (they used to be a "dime a dozen" back when we didn't have the internet, spam bots and GenAI).

I'm not sure how you could misconstrue legislation for rumors...

Awesome, you managed to reply to my comment and yet not post a single link to the 5-6 comments calling you out for not providing a source.

Edit:

I've found your link. It taxes gasoline cars older than 2006 (so 18+ years old) and diesel cars older than 2018 (so 6 years old). Which is super fair since those emit a ton of particulates, why should drivers be able to poison local residents for free?

There's no mention of an outright ban for ICE cars.

https://www.autoexpress.co.uk/sustainability/105032/eu-votes...

Ban selling new gas vehicles is 2035.

My original comment was the state mandates/tax legislation maybe significant contribute to sales.

Have you read the entire context behind this? Some of the biggest proponents of this are... VW, BMW, etc.

> It taxes gasoline cars older than 2006 (so 18+ years old) and diesel cars older than 2018 (so 6 years old).

Well, very few people drive such old gasoline cars (outside of historic car collectors)... but a 6-12 year old diesel? Many people drive these.

Yeah, but it's not their fault that most of the companies selling diesel cars lied and are continuing to lie about their emissions.

The EU is especially failing on this front, VW should have been caught year before it was.

They're not rioting because it's not true

Well it currently doesn't cover all of EU. However that is a great question. I think there is going to be conflict between Urban versus rural communities with socioeconomics as these types of zones continue to expand.

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