Wrong couple divorced after computer error by law firm Vardag's
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So basically the judge's argument is "those were your lawyers, you paid for them to act on your behalf, so this action they took on your behalf is valid."
It's not a "computer error" except that the lawyer who screwed up happened to be using a computer while doing so. If this were 50 years ago, and the lawyer wrote the wrong client's name on a document, would we call it a "pen and paper error"?
Some things should require human control and agency involved at every step from conception to completion. Even if the software merely enabled such a mistake to be made, that means the software is interacting with a system that is not equipped to handle failure modes gracefully. It's half baked, and as seen, the system can have profound and lasting impact on people's lives. If the stakes are high, the diligence and care have to be escalated as well.
Marriage, divorce, bankruptcy, and other situations should be human only until we are entirely certain that programmatic access is not going to result in hiccups and disruptions.
The problem here is that when lawyers deal with it for you they can mix up different cases, but the problem is that if you authorise the lawyer to act for you (as in this case) you cannot then disclaim responsibility for what they did under that authority.
As far as I can tell, on online option doesn't exist in the US. It must be done in person at the courthouse.
Q:Can you file for divorce online?
A:Online divorce services cannot independently result in a legally recognized divorce
ref: https://www.lawdepot.com/contracts/divorce/?loc=USNo. Lawyer simply clicked the wrong name.
It is not computer error. It is lawyer error.
Edit: Thinking through my own analogy about the telegraph more, I suppose that if it had happened over telegraph and had been phrased as "telegraph error" that could mean either the telegraph operator or the telegraph itself were to blame. So maybe the "computer operator" being to blame makes it a more reasonable description that I first thought. Still feels like a suboptimal description though since there is so much room for ambiguity. Though, a "postal" error still doesn't make much sense, so I suppose one would need to gather data about whether the "computer" is thought of more like the "telegraph" or the "post" to most people.
> In his summary, Judge McFarlane noted that "with its now customary speed", the system granted the order just 21 minutes later.
In the equivalent pen and paper situation, the solicitor would presumably have a significantly longer time period to discover and correct their error.
On the other hand, they really should have been familiar with the process.
I divorced through this process.
There are multiple steps. You have to apply, papers have to be served, then (after a five month cooling off period) you get a preliminary order (what used to be called a decree nisi) then after another few weeks you have to apply to a final order (what used to be called a decree absolute). I stayed up so I could apply for the final order at midnight. It was done by the time I woke up late the following morning.
Financial and child arrangements are separate cases and you only need to go to court over those if there are disputes over those.
In this case they had gone through the whole process when one party's lawyer's accidentally applied for the last step - the final order. That party had authorised their lawyer to do it, so its fair enough that they are being held to what their lawyer did on their behalf. . IMO people should not even use lawyers for the divorce. They might be needed for the (separate) child arrangements and finance disputes, if (and only if) those are disputed. For the divorce itself. Just do it online.
This is the first I've heard of applying for a divorce online. It's certainly not an option here.
Florida does offer a 2-page, simplified, uncontested divorce option. Unfortunately our county wouldn't hear of it.
My wife and I submitted our completed 2 pages to the clerk. They presented us with a 50 page financial pack (at .50/page) that had to be completed in it's entirety, notarized and submitted for review (and accompanying fee).
The wife had $0 in assets (being homeless). I had about the same. And it didn't matter.
She has since disappeared. I heard she was in CO but that was last year.
It means if you do not have a lot of assets you can settle financial things between you informally, or you can make an agreement and ask the court to make it binding. We did not have much in the way of assets and I (the higher earner) was going to take care of the child I just gave her a some money when she moved out and we left it at that. NO case over who the child would live with either (as it was pretty obvious).
— Mitch Ratcliffe
No, they would call it a "clerical error" and reverse the ruling.
Here's an example of such a law in the US:
In the pen and paper times you could call it a "form design error" if the tick boxes were, for example, confusingly named "Yes, I don't want to divorce" and "no, I do" and someone misunderstood and ticked the wrong one
A law firm had divorce cases for two clients, and an employee authorized to act on behalve of one half of a couple accidentally clicked that their client agreed with the divorce settlement, intending to do so for another client.
I know this case happened in the UK, but this is remarkably analogous to the case in the US where Citibank, due to a clerical error, accidentally wired $500 million to Revlon bondholders. An appeals court in the US said that money needed to be repaid, https://www.loeb.com/en/insights/publications/2022/10/second....
But in terms of law, her lawyers acting on her authority requested the divorce, the other party agreed and the divorce was finalised. The due process was followed.
What should happen next is that the woman sues her lawyers for negligence, demanding compensation to the tune of the amount that she failed to negotiate in the divorce.
If Mrs lost money due to the mistake, her recourse is to sue her incompetent lawyer.
Edit: looks like I misread about the fixing it part. Still, I wonder what the situation would look like if a couple were legally divorced for only a couple of weeks.
I don't think they were preventing, per se, as much as "wanting to negotiate on behalf of Mrs Williams to get the most out of Mr Williams" (who is presumably happy with this accident because it avoids all that faff since Mrs Williams, I assume, has no negotiating position now they're actually divorced.)
I'm guessing that's things like child care, handling of pre-nups, 50/50 split of main domicile, etc. but doesn't cover "extras" like boats, other houses, etc.?
Which is why people hire expensive lawyers like the ones in the story for negotiating their divorce settlements...
The lawyers who requested the divorce want to cancel it, but there's no legal process for doing that, given that they instigated it, had the authority to act on their client's behalf and there was no administrative mistake made by the court. Especially as the guy is perfectly happy with the outcome, under what basis could the court rescind the divorce and compel him to become re-married? Even more so when the outcome is clearly that they will ultimately end up divorced anyway (or else they wouldn't have engaged the divorce lawyers) and the only issue is about the terms of the settlement between the two parties.
They wouldn't really compel him to become re-married, he'd just never have been un-married in the first place.
I'd hope that even though this error leaves the couple divorced earlier than expected, it won't mean that the former-wife will forfeit her right to whatever support she should be able to expect.
> Mr Williams' legal representatives argued a final order of divorce is a "once-and-for-all" order, which cannot be set aside by the consent of the parties and may only be rescinded by the court if found to be either void or voidable.
It isn't like two other random people that didn't want to be were accidentally divorced.
Arguably, yes, that is exactly what happened here: If the lawyer intended to do this for some other couple and only did it for this one by mistake, then the couple that were divorced now are the "two other random people".
(And as for "didn't want to be", isn't that what this whole system with preliminary application, waiting period, and final application is for? As long as you haven't made the final application, then no, it isn't regarded as, well, final that you really want to go through with it.)
if you never see finality you can worry that some entity will come and change the assumptions at any time.
say that you made a transaction based ona valuation. 15 years later the IRS comes and rewrites that valuation and because this is so late you have absolutely no recourse.
If you accidentally send nudes to your parents, that's actually an "SMS error".
If you drive your car off of a cliff, that's a "pavement error".
If you intended to go to bed early, but actually stay up late playing video games/watching TV/reading/whatever, then that is a "clock error".
Your wife's new legal name is TAARGÜS TAARGÜS> Lawyers for Mrs Williams argued that as the order had been made by mistake it should simply be "set aside", describing the error as someone at the firm simply "clicking the wrong button".
[missing paragraphs describing what the hell happened.]
> Mr Williams' legal representatives argued a final order of divorce is a "once-and-for-all" order, which cannot be set aside by the consent of the parties and may only be rescinded by the court if found to be either void or voidable.
Then Mrs Williams wanted the divorce set aside. Why?
Mr Williams didn't want it set aside. Why?