The Papa Johns closest to The Pentagon is far busier than usual
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The availability of fairly cheap private imagery now enables things like estimating Walmart's quarterly earnings. https://www.npr.org/sections/money/2010/08/19/129298095/with...
But if you are an state actor, I'm sure there are plenty of ways to identify the personnel who work for these agencies. Usually just hanging around at the local lunch places is a good place to start.
For context if you want to go down the rabbit hole: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=40030106
So for approximately the cost of a fully loaded laptop you, too, can set off the "pizza meter" and get people talking.
I was a pizza delivery guy around then, and I remember delivering pizzas to the local base. Mostly barracks, sometimes the Officers' quarters. One time, we had an order that went to a more secured location -- Got buzzed through the fence, around the side, up to the door, and into the man-trap inside the building.
That was past a bunch of signs saying I wasn't supposed to be there. The drivers always joked about 'Top Secret, Pizza Delivery clearance'. We had maps of the base, all the building numbers and everything.
That was all pre 9-11, It's a closed base now.
It was posted to this board as recently as 23 days ago https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=39805067
Here's an archive https://archive.is/9ouXy
This archive explicitly mentions:
>Shortly after Meeks' comments were released, government offices no longer ordered from Domino's branches in Washington, opting to buy pizza at separate times or at different pizza joints.
Indicating that the Pentagon is well aware of monitoring of pizza shops as a way to infer the level of their activity. I therefore posit that this going viral is a hidden form of explicit communication, a signal they are intentionally sending, akin to the Iranians raising a black flag several months ago.
The Pentagon is bounded on all sides by busy public highways! Oh, and giant parking lots for Pentagon employees.
Any interested party can simply drive past and count the number of cars in the parking lots. Not a lot of mystery there! I assume countless foreign countries and news organizations do exactly that.
The "Pizza Meter" is a fun... thing. It's a nice lesson on how data can "leak" even if nobody is actually actively disclosing information directly. But the idea of a foreign nation taking the "Pizza Meter" seriously (or, of the USA using it as a signal that might be taken seriously by our adversaries) is not a credible idea.
I had always assumed it was location tracking data, same as they (mostly?) use for realtime traffic data.
But, now that you mention it, Dominoes is a delivery business. So you'd have to estimate their current volume some other way - a spike in demand won't correlate with an increase of people physically visiting the storefront.
We'll probably never get it, though? Seems like one of those algorithmic things Google holds close to its chest.
I would think, though, that if it's going to be meaningful whatsoever for a delivery business... it couldn't rely solely on "phones in this area per hour." But I'm just a random yahoo speculating.
I'm sure they do. But I'm also sure it's not Papa Johns. That garlic sauce is worth a national security incident IMO.
https://maps.app.goo.gl/iCZBTiWQUKSKU1LS9
From everything I've seen, though, it seems like there are 20+ shops inside the Pentagon and GMaps only lists a few, so I don't know how accurate that information is.
When it's Dominos then you know you're fucked.
https://www.latimes.com/archives/la-xpm-2001-aug-03-mn-30116...
Not sure if the employees are cleared, but they are at least screened (and one would assume... monitored?)
https://news.clearancejobs.com/2022/09/26/top-secret-taco-be...
https://maps.app.goo.gl/nyqYWQ7WBDArvdzS9
However, if the hours on Google Maps can be believed, it seems like all of the Pentagon shops close at 5PM eastern. So if you want food after 5PM, perhaps you're still ordering delivery?
Also, these signals also help defuse situations because they are effective signals among adversaries that the sides are getting serious.
Which one are we talking about?
I think this sort of discussion is best left off HN.
"We've got to muster the political will, industrial capacity, economic leverage, and military capability to defeat Russia first in order to isolate/deter Iran and deter China from making a terrible miscalculation."
It's better for an error message to explain what the end user likely needs to know, rather than you heroically debugging it for them.
https://acoup.blog/2022/10/21/collections-strategic-airpower...
What fraction of its arsenal do you think Iran used up on Friday? That's the real question. If half, Israel can easily smack Iran with impunity.
What if it was only 5%? Shooting half their stockpile would be pretty stupid, after all.
There would be literally nothing easy about fighting Iran, unless your idea of fighting is just to glass the entire country. Because any kind of conventional warfare with Iran would make Iraq and Afganistan look like kindergarden in comparison. And that's not to say that Iran is some kind of superpower - it's absolutely not. Just that the terrain is extremely difficult, the army is actually decently equipped and trained, and it's a huge and very populous country.
Certainly they have that capability, and there's plenty of evidence that they do targeted killings, but that doesn't appear to be their MO when invading someone.
Btw, one of the best sources in this conflict is Israeli media. Especially the Hebrew language one.
The only way Israel can have a proper war with Iran is by attacking Hesbollah, but thats a whole different topic.
Bibi, on the other hand, avoids jail time only as long as Ben-Gvir keeps his government propped up. And Gvir wants war.