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We are currently lumping storage retention history (we store all the history for a period of time so you can time travel) and backups together.

We are rethinking this, please stay tuned

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Even if backups/history were taking up zero space, $1.50/GB seems really high for raw storage. The rest of the pricing seems reasonable to me. We're only around 100GB right now, but can see that ballooning up in the future and raising some concerns.

By the way, I do want to say that branching is a game changer. The recent usability improvements like graphs/metrics and being able to reset a branch to the state of another one without affecting the endpoint is so nice. We previously had a messy script that took care of creating a new branch, moving endpoints, renaming, deleting, etc.

More fine-grained permissions for users on projects would be my number one ask at this point, but overall, I really appreciate the improvements the Neon team has made in recent months.

I’m confused, are we talking about object storage here? Like $0.023/GB in S3 storage cost?

Neon keeps an NVME cache in the Pageservers, and it also keeps copies of the data in S3, one for the main storage, and one for the backup case. The data also gets stored on special replicated storage (Safekeepers). So it might be in 6 different places at the same time (3 safekeepers, 1 pageserver, 2 S3 buckets), details depending on the data's lifecycle through the system.

This architecture delivers really good safety: Once your transaction commits, the data is already replicated across different AZs, and this is done without there being an S3 request each time. It also means that Neon can deliver features like branching.

(Neon engineer)

> So it might be in 6 different places at the same time (3 safekeepers, 1 pageserver, 2 S3 buckets), details depending on the data's lifecycle through the system.

I hope it is encrypted on S3 at least? :)

Yes, it's encrypted at rest both on the NVME drives as well as on S3.

https://neon.tech/docs/introduction/architecture-overview

There is no system of per-project encryption keys though.

Permissions improvements have been duly noted by others, so expect that work to begin sometime in the near future.

Reducing our COGS is very important, and also something that we will be working on. I would definitely reach out to our sales team for a more custom quote.

(Neon engineer)

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