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Even the classic parking brake hill start in a manual car involves braking and applying engine torque at the same time, despite the fact that the brake pedal isn’t being pressed.

But starting on a hill in a conventional automatic with a torque converter also involves either rolling back a bit or pressing the accelerator a bit before releasing the brake.

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>But starting on a hill in a conventional automatic with a torque converter also involves either rolling back a bit or pressing the accelerator a bit before releasing the brake.

Felt deeply in San Francisco. I think newer cars rollback less than older cars. Either way, it is unnerving when driving in Lombard street.

You can't pay me enough to drive in SFO in a stick shift.

Many modern stick shifts have "hill hold"[1] that keeps the car still until the clutch makes contact. Still, would need good throttle/clutch control not to stall after that.

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hill-holder

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