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they also aren't very hot and wont work in northern cities, but people will install them there anyway. "boiler" - is that jargon for multiple kinds of heating units or actually just boilers?

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Are you saying heat pumps won’t work in cold climates? That hasn’t been true in some time. https://www.greenbuildingadvisor.com/article/heat-pumps-for-...

Heat pumps work down to -25C. Cold climates get colder than that. Sure most cold climates are typically above that, but it only takes one night every 10 years to hit those temperatures and a heat pump alone does not work. You need a backup. Of cousre once we have a backup we can ask if it is cost effect - heat pumps get less efficient as temperatures go down - when you need the most heat, so it may be most cost effective to install a heat pump that doesn't even work to that cold (perhaps it does but is under sized?) and just use backup heat when it is cold.

One night where the outside temperature gets below -25C is not a serious problem. If you had the heat pump keeping your house at a comfortable temperature the day before, you aren't going to die of hypothermia or have pipes freeze overnight. You'll just wake up to a house that's chilly inside and takes most of the day to get back up to where you want it.

Sustained cold spells are where you need an alternative heat source.

Also electric heaters are dirt cheap - get a bunch 20$ ones

Or conveniently mount one inside your air handler!

What you’re talking about is factored in to system design - it’s called the 1% design temperature.

https://www.greenbuildingadvisor.com/article/design-temperat...

As CP says, you design your system for the conditions 99% of the time, because designing for that last 1% leads to a terrible cost benefit calculation. Same reason you don’t daily drive an armored personnel carrier with a 300-gallon gas tank.

I live in one of these areas and I just use a couple electric space heaters a few days a year - my mini splits are still great otherwise.

I presume you’re talking about air source heat pumps here. Some will go down that far, but it’s not common. If installed in a location where winters will routinely see temperatures below -10/15 degrees C, it’s going to be far more efficient to do a ground source heat pump, ideally with a deep bore hole where you can get a heat source that is continually 10-20 degrees C

By boiler i mean the big box on the wall in the kitchen which burns natural gas to heat water. This may be a UK specific usage.

I think this is known as a tankless water heater in the US. (Tankless because you said it's on the wall.)

Boilers in the UK are usually mounted on the inside of an exterior wall to provide for venting exhaust gases outside. They may provide hot water on-demand without a tank (combi boiler) or fill a hot water cylinder on a schedule (system boiler) depending on type. Heating is typically provided by the boiler pumping hot water through a circuit of wall-mounted radiators regulated by TRVs (Thermostatic Radiator Valves).

Boilers are definitely much more common in the UK than US. I believe New England is one of the few areas of the US that has a relatively high percentage of homes with hydronic+boiler heating setups. In most other parts of the U.S., many people probably have no idea what a boiler even is.

Pretty common in the Northwest part of the country as well.

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