It’s useful to be aware of the potential for certain effects and addiction, but this is not an inherent property that impacts all users equally.
May be better to frame this as: depending on your physiology, you may be predisposed to certain effects and/or resulting addiction. Similar things can be said about alcohol/cannabis. Physical or psychological addiction happens, but not all users are susceptible in the same ways.
Now I wonder if people with adhd with different etiology are just “treating” it by getting high.
I suspect it is a lot like catnip. I think most people that have had cats have had situations where one of the cats just does not care about the stuff. At all. Versus many cats that get quite an extreme reaction to it.
The people snorting it to get high are not the same people taking a prescribed dose and going back to sleep (a common ADHD experience).
Many/most folks with ADHD end up having issues skipping doses.
One friend (into recreation drugs) took 40mg of Adderall and was wired for a day and a half.
Another (prescribed) took 80mg of Adderall and calmed down enough to take a nap.
There is no one single human wiring.
The liver eventually removes them, they aren’t responsible for the effect.
Both of these folks took them in pill form.
Do you mean snorting vs ingesting? Snorting definitely increases uptake yes, but the underlying brain chemistry differences still exist.
Easy to find folks who figured out they were ADHD because they did a line of cocaine and almost fell asleep, for instance.
> One friend (into recreation drugs) took 40mg
> Another (prescribed) took 80mg
You can take someone undiagnosed with ADHD, give them 80mg and they could possibly not feel a thing. Likewise there are those who are prescribed low doses like 2.5mg.
It’s a pet peeve of mine the myths I’ve seen shared pervasively on SM:
1) getting high from a stimulant doesn’t preclude you from having ADHD. I know this is not what you said but I’ve read comments that literally state if you experience euphoria or other stimulating effects from Adderall, then you couldn’t have ADHD. That’s clearly not how ADHD is diagnosed. Therapeutic dose is all about minimizing those “side effects”
2) that certain people with ADHD cannot experience a stimulant high. That seems extremely dubious to me. Barring a higher dose of amphetamine or more straightforward meth, I’m sure if they can’t get it there then they could from MDA, MDMA, coke, DMT, mescaline, LSD or plain old THC… yes even from a psychedelic it’s a stimulant effect. It’s not the ADHD it’s the personal chemistry
* said enzymes exist in the brain, too, of course, I didn’t know that till I googled more
Edit: typo and format
Care to link to any actual studies on this?
I don't doubt that they impact people in different ways. I also don't doubt that I likely don't notice some of the feelings. Reading things like this post, though, makes me think there is a lot more going on. And I am very hesitant to try and generalize how others react based solely on my reaction.
Whatever else might be true about those drugs it is true that they are performance enhancing drugs for most people in many respects. There's probably nothing wrong with taking a Dexedrine and taking the day to clean your whole house from top to bottom but taking it for a lifetime is something else.
I have a friend who was one of the earliest adopters of ADHD medication and he gets a bottle of pills each month that looks as much like a small trash can as a large pill bottle and has had his teeth all rot out. He says he can't get anything done without his meds but he can't get anything done with his meds.
I'm certain he has problems of a wider scope than "ADHD" but so long as there is a system to tag kids that don't fit in with a label and that profits from a solution, other diagnoses will be neglected.
I was diagnosed by telemedicine with it, tried various doses of bother Adderal and Vyvanse and got fairly upbeat on them even on low doses, so I doubt if I technically have it from a neurochemical standpoint.
I would actually fall asleep easier on the meds than without it.
I suppose this can be called a high because marijuana can make you fall asleep too.