I disagree, people just need to learn to suck it up and learn how the fuck to to use IRC. We HAVE technology can get the job done already. People just h ave to get used to it and start using it.
That attitude is why we have Discord and why it’s so popular, and also why IRC is not. People want features like scrollback when they’re not connected without having a set up screen session via SSH. They want to mobile app, It doesn’t even have to be that good of a mobile app. Yeah, I know you can do all of these things with IRC but people just want it all nicely packaged up by a company who has a UX team to make things nice and easy For them.
Looking at the success of slack, there’s a lot of money to be had if you don’t try and force people to “suck it up”.
There are good salesmen and bad salesmen, and telling customers to “suck it up “ is not a winning move.
It was readily apparent to me, I simply felt other things were more important. It wasn't the priority.
The same is true of money, being able to take part in the gift economy of the hacker under world is of more value to me than money.
But it's not.
Discord is more popular than IRC because to most people it's better.
Telling everyone to rent a VPS and run a server to hack in an essential feature is insane.
https://ircv3.net/specs/extensions/chathistory
Plus, again, IT's not necessary to rent a VPS. IrcV3 has a module for backlogging. You just have to actually plug it in and use it.
"People still listen to terrestrial radio?"
Sadly, yes.
There's a new crop pf users today. Depends on the network, depends on the server.
Some of these people are like me, they felt the world was full of possibly back in 2000, they just want the feeling back.
Mind you, some of us know our old uncle that says the good old days were better is full of shit, and has just you know, failed to remember the bad parts of the past. and prefers to only think about the good.
But I started using myself back in like late 1999 to get mp3s before Napster was around, and I'm not like boasting about warez like I'm still 13 I'm actually just matter of fact about it these days like shrug.
Like I don't really think it makes me cooler than anyone else or better or anything, I just- I'm an honest broker.
I do feel an affection for things like the old humorist logs that wwent on bash and everything. the past wasn't better, different, in a lot of ways worse.
but not better.
Since you need to maintain a constant connection to irc for it to work, it’s unusable on mobile since the connection will be killed as soon as you switch app or lock the screen. Which is why everyone used irccloud.
The experience is pretty sub standard even on desktop. Back in the day I ended up IP banned from the whole of freenode because my internet connection was flaky while I was away and I ended up banned for spamming join/quit messages.
Ouch. I feel you there. Intermittent connectivity can truly suck. I've had issues like that before.
I try not to connect to IRC in situations like that. but these issues can often be resolved with a Bouncer.
like, I was beginning to wonder why you were saying what you said.
I was going to be like what do you need logging or such? I honestly prefer the logging situation on IRC. People will expect you to read the entire backlog on discord.
Discord is indeed free of cost which could save enterprises money I suppose. The ocst of maintaining a BNC for networks that don't offer it for free can get high. Running ZNC was beginning to cause hash ocean to ask me for over 100 a month.
But Rizon and the networks I use most frequently run their own free of cost that provides permannence so you get your backlog.
Not enough to matter for the vast majority of people, not even humanly noticeable for most of them. How does that skewer anything?
Most people have Chrome running in the background behind their games too, maybe one or two apps like G-hub or Razer(whatever they call theirs), one to several apps like steam/origin/epic games, etc.. This clearly isn't a relevant argument to normal users, or to serious/professional gamers.
/s
UX, usability, and accessibility all matter.
Alright. https://www.irccloud.com/ fixd.
No, sometimes you need to know something to see it's value.
No, sometimes you need to know something to see it's value.
Companies are capitalizing on this ignorance now and somehow convinces even us techies that our decentralized/open stuff is inferior to their lockin, and so the cycle just continues with a bit more shit at every step..
The problem of "how do I get people to use and fund my server" is still an unanswered one by projects that implement a lot of FLOSS-based services. It's a bit better than it used to be, but if I suggested that my Discord servers try my new IRC system that I hosted somewhere, most people are just going to pass because it's not going to have the level of polish and ease-of-use they're used to from group chat applications.
In terms of logging history, you could use a bot anyway on discord. This is generally not more friction than fully controlling logs in a freer option.
A better suggestion is to use Matrix/Element, Mattermost or RocketChat. Not IRC or XMPP.
I get wanting mobility, I don't get wanting to scale things down to the point where it fits in a single hand, especially because, the smartphone manufactures seem to not want to allow the same kind of freedom and flexibility available on the PC to their smartphones. The "Smart" part of a "Smartphone" makes them in fact mini tablet personal computers, and that they don't offer the kind of control only a PC does to their end user, is unforgivable. It's a shame, the world favors convenience over freedom.