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Data collection should always be opt in

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As someone building a service, and a user of services, totally agree.

The argument in this article doesn't make sense if the personal data is a primary source of revenue for the company. For example, vizio makes more money from data sales than television sales.

Meanwhile, a friend rented an apartment and they have a package room managed by a 3rd party...

take a look at the terms of service and privacy policy:

Recordings LUXER may record video, take pictures of users and package labels or capture a signature when packages are dropped off or picked up. You consent to LUXER’s right to capture you or your likeness via videotape, film, record, photograph, or voice, and in exchange for the right to use the Services, you hereby irrevocably grant to the Company the non-exclusive, fully-paid, royalty-free, transferable, sublicensable, worldwide, unrestricted, and perpetual right to (1) use any such videotape, film, record or photograph of you and/or your signature to provide and solely improve the Services and (2) use, and permit to be used, your name and identity solely in connection with LUXER’s performance and delivery of the Services. You hereby waive all rights and release LUXER and its affiliates, and their officers, directors, employees and agents from, and shall neither sue nor bring any proceeding against any such parties for, any claim or cause of action, whether now known or unknown, for defamation, invasion of right to privacy, publicity or personality or any similar matter, or based upon or relating to the use and exploitation of your identity, likeness or voice in connection with the Services. You acknowledge that LUXER shall not owe any financial or other remuneration for using the recordings provided hereunder, either for initial or subsequent transmission or playback, and further acknowledge that the LUXER is not responsible for any expense or liability incurred as a result of your recordings or participation in any recordings, including any loss of such recording data.

https://www.luxerone.com/terms-of-service/

https://www.luxerone.com/privacy-policy/

opt-in if you want packages...

The data shouldn’t be a primary source of revenue and said business shouldn’t be viable.

I think legislation is the only way you will "convince" folks like vizio

Oh certainly — bad behavior will continue until regulation is enacted. The whole data broker industry should be obliterated.

Totally agree with the sentiment and the project linked at the bottom of the article is pretty neat. It does feel a bit hopeless to rely on robots.txt to deter AI bots but I guess it's better than nothing. Appreciate the effort.

Always has been opt in when free of charge. The register form is the checkbox.

Only exception is free software.

Part of legitimate opt-in is that the user is giving informed consent. That's why the act of installation itself is not a legitimate form of opt-in (unless, of course, a clear-language and complete explanation of what the software will be collecting and exactly how it will be used is provided before installation begins.)

Playing with k8s. Mirantis k0s collects by default.

There should be a bad actor database

In Europe and the EU it is thanks to the GDPR. At least if its PII, if you wanna collect weather data, feel free to do so.

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