wpf is still heavily used in industry so that isnt very convincing to me
a) being able to deploy same codebase on web and desktop
b) reusing the vast selection of libraries for web
c) tapping the large amount of trained developers.
Sciter fails on a) and b), because it doesn't support even such a basic and widely used feature as CSS flex (they have something similar, but incompatible).
Even c) is very debatable.
Binary sizes are currently around ~12mb which isn't as good as Sciter but is quite a bit better than Electron.
Desktop UI and Web UI models are so different that in reality you cannot use the same codebase on 100% in both targets.
Web UI uses traditional Web's "endless tape" model where only width is known. This does not really work on desktop where width and height are finite. See this Sciter based app https://notes.sciter.com/ as an example.
> reusing the vast selection of libraries for web
If you do need this then you can use Sciter's WebView that is a <frame> backed by system browser:
https://sciter.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/04/sciter-webview...
> If you do need this then you can use Sciter's WebView that is a <frame> backed by system browser:
iframes are very constrained in what you can do, if you’re targeting the web from the start you get the full power of using those libraries beyond the bounds of a single frame.
I develop an Electron app and the CSS is 100% same on both web and desktop. It's not a "web page", it's an app, which doesn't use the "endless tape" model.
> If you do need this then you can use Sciter's WebView that is a <frame> backed by system browser:
At that point it seems easier to just use something like Tauri which uses the system browser for all rendering.
> In almost 10 years, Sciter UI engine has become the secret weapon of success for some of the most prominent antivirus products on the market: Norton Antivirus and Internet Security, Comodo Internet Security, ESET Antivirus, BitDefender Antivirus, and others. The use of HTML/CSS has allowed their UI to stay in touch with modern GUI trends throughout all these years, and will continue to well into the future.
Made me laugh a bit, I usually find antivirus softwares out of touch with good design and really impractical due to that.
That’s why I mention performance critical
> wpf is still heavily used in industry
But is anything new being made with wpf? Because that’s why I left that area.
windows shop still reach for it heavily in "boring" industry in my experience.
there is a difference between performance critical and sloppy of course. most people default to heavy crap cuz its good enough, or a good fit sometimes, i get that
and this is coming from someone who had to use wpf for software where it ended up too slow in all rendering paths despite MS "trust us bro" and had to render using directx directly. not super uncommon but we were paying the price early (.net fw 3, fuzy wpf text, vibrating layouts, the good days)
No, that‘s very common. I‘m peripherally involved in such a greenfield project, too. And my employer is (very) slowly switching existing WinForms applications to WPF. It‘s the new thing.
(I know that there are a handful newer MS GUI frameworks, but for us it‘s new)
they are both too new
Couldn’t be happier.