Scientists may have discovered a flaw in their understanding of dark energy
nytimes.com
nytimes.com
Main frequency is around 7 times per age of the Universe. Secondary one is around 10.5 times.
When I look at it, I think that dark energy is just ultra strong low frequency gravity wave coming from rotating ultramassive objects far outside of our observable universe and way older than our little local shenanigans we call Big Bang.
The idea that empty space simply has a uniform, non-zero energy level is a disappointing and kind of anti-climatic explanation for one of the greatest mysteries of physics and hints that our best models of the universe have huge gaps.
Put a pair of parallel conducting plates between a given bounded volume though, and interesting thing happens: while shorter, higher energy standing waves can still fit between them, the longer, lower energy ones cannot.
As a result, there is now no longer an unbounded number of virtual photons between the inside plates and the outside ones, and this manifests as a very slight force on the plates because you now have a higher energy on the outside then on the inside. But it's a lossy process: the plates can only exclude longer, lower energy wavelengths, so there's a very finite upper bound on how much energy any given arrangement of this system can produce since as you move the plates closer together the remaining energy inside grows much faster then the energy outside (shorter virtual wavelengths).
If you're wondering how this affects you: it's all around you. Vacuum energy - the Casimir force - is believed to account for most of the force known to be due to van der Waal's forces in chemistry - i.e. the basic force which sticks non-ionic, non-covalent things together. The difficulty of removing dust for example, is being driven by that.
EDIT: "Dark Energy" - which is what's being discussed here, is very different.
Wave functions can be seen as the sum of polynomial terms.
So a wave function of: x^3+3x^2+4x could be expressed as its coefficients [1,3,4].
Now if any of those coefficients are allowed to be zero, then you’d have, say, [0,3,4] for your polynomial which simplifies to an identical polynomial [3,4].
This just reduced the dimension of the problem by 1, but a wave function in n dimensions is fundamentally different than one with n-1 or n+1.
If you could reduce the dimension of a problem by zeroing a coefficient and still get accurate calculations then then “curse of dimensionality” would be moot because you could just keep reducing the dimension until the problem was tractable and then reverse the process to build back up to the original problem.
Unfortunately, the pigeon hole problem creeps up when the additional states of the higher dimension lack a direct analogue to its lower dimension.
Think of a binary tree. At each element draw two new elements branching from it on a line below. Allowing any leaf to be 0 effectively removes it and all of its parents and children from the model. So in order to retain the full tree all values at each leaf must be greater than 0.
Except reality has zero requirements to conform to mathematical models even if ours sometimes work to 10 decimal places there’s other cases they don’t work at all.
As soon as you step outside the area a model provides accurate answers you need to stop using it because some unaccounted for factor is now significant. It’s a depressingly common mistake. Read up on what people used to say about breaking the sound barrier despite known examples of bullies etc doing so. People literally knew the model was wrong in that region and yet they still used it to make predictions.
I bring it up now because natural language is just so difficult to employ in describing a concept that is itself a distillation of its description unambiguously. You can /say/ a mathematical operation is 'associative', but how do you /define/ associativity without just giving the mathematical expression?
All that to say, it's difficult to communicate these ideas, but I am unsure what your message here is?
I find what you wrote above to be an accurate account of the development of science, but I fail to see why it warrants the exacerbated tone or how it applies to what's being discussed.
What model is being applied here? What area does said method 'work' in, and how does the problem in question 'step outside the area [the] model provides'?
What model do you prefer for vacuum energy? How does it accurately model observation while affording a vacuum energy of 0?
> What model do you prefer for vacuum energy?
The standard model seems fine without vacuum energy > 0. ex: https://arxiv.org/pdf/hep-th/0503158.pdf
Are you aware of any experiment that suggests it, beyond the apparent acceleration of the expansion of the universe? Because IMO an explanation that only shows up after an observation and also only applies to a single observation isn’t a deeper explanation than the observation itself. (Edited for clarity.)
This a bit confusing due the vacuum energy being a part of standard model.
> Are you aware of any experiment that suggests it, beyond the apparent acceleration of the expansion of the universe?
Yes. Heisenberg uncertainty, the BCS theory of superconductivity, the Higgs field. Also, the paper you linked provides a few.
>> However, to my knowledge no one has shown that source theory or another S-matrix based approach can provide a complete description of QED to all orders.
Quantization of electrodynamics.
>> In QCD confinement would seem to present an insuperable challenge to an S-matrix based approach, since quarks and gluons do not appear in the physical S-matrix.
Quantum chromodynamics.
But ultimately, the paper you linked is uninterested in showing that the vacuum energy is 0, and rather is intended to show that from their formulation the Casimir effect is able to be explained away without a vacuum state > 0 under certain conditions. This important distinction is central to the paper.
>> Even if one could argue away quantum zero point contributions to the vacuum energy, the problem of spontaneous symmetry breaking remains: condensates that carry energy appear at many energy scales in the Standard Model.
That said I’m skeptical of their methods. Since you are clearly an advocate for this paper, can you explain the crux of the paper, namely:
>> Casimir forces can be calculated without reference to the vacuum and, like any other dynamical effect in QED, vanish as α → 0.
What is even meant by allowing the fine structure constant to go to 0?
Because the stability of the standard model requires it to be constant.
And how a model that allows such a thing is a better representation of what is “real“.
Because the conclusion gets a bit wishy washy as it moves from the rigor of its maths to philosophy. (“real” vs “unreal”)
>> Still, no known phenomenon, including the Casimir effect, demonstrates that zero point energies are “real”.
In that regard I think the author would agree with my gp that rather than worry about “real”ness, to look at vacuum state as a consequence of the model we use to describe what we collectively accept as “real”.
I disagree that it's really that simple an explanation, though. Our best theoretical prediction for dark energy is that it should be denser by dozens of orders of magnitude. It's not remotely clear why the actual value seems to be so small, especially since it's not exactly zero.
It is very clear actually: one or both of the models producing the conflicting result are wrong. Smart money's on both, because we have good other reasons to think each of them is wrong.
Exactly, and letting either of those two things to be 0 is effectively saying you’re measuring between one thing, which is a contradiction.
I'm not sure this follows. The set of positive integers is infinite. It means that there's always a larger integer, but it doesn't mean there's always a smaller one, or an infinite number of integers between 1 and 10.
If it is as we suppose that the universe started all squeezed into a point at the beginning of time, and then explosively expanding out from there, then I don't see why we would expect a uniform distribution like that.
Having four legs is accidental to being an animal, just as there being an infinite number of elements between any two elements in a set is accidental to its cardinality being infinite.
Nothing is infinite
It isn't infinite even if the universe is expanding forever - which is not commonly accepted as the big crunch exists as an idea.
Just bc we may never be able to see the whole picture doesn't mean there isn't one.
Wouldn't you run into the planck length at some point?
And it could change again. We’d all be dead before we knew what was happening.
Why are people so afraid to qualify statements like this? Do they genuinely think it's settled? Is it thought to reduce the reporting to an intolerable level of low credibility for the masses? It reduces the credibility for me when they fail to qualify these types of statements of fact.
If that's what expansion driven by dark energy does, then why hasn't it already happened? And where did the reporter get this factoid?
Everything from atoms to galaxies are safe in regards to expansion. Galaxy clusters (maybe) and up would be disrupted by expansion.
But it's as speculative as any other explanation of Dark Energy.
This changes if you allow Dark Energy to vary with time, but the paragraph in the article assumes it's constant.
> If the work of dark energy were constant over time, it would eventually push all the stars and galaxies so far apart that even atoms could be torn asunder...
That doesn't change the fact that gravity can overcome Dark Energy. To wit, the Andromeda and Milky Way galaxies are on a collision course. Yes, Dark Energy is working to drive those galaxies apart, but gravity is winning and the closer those galaxies get to each other then the strong gravity is going to become.
Gravity gets stronger as the distance between objects decreases, Dark Energy gets stronger as the distance between objects increases. That is if Dark Energy is a property of spacetime. Since we don't know what Dark Energy is we can't say for certain, but it appears to be a property of spacetime and if that's the case then this statement is true.
I don't get nightmares.
You can post a diff and I will find someone who will get it in.
"If dark matter gives rise to the gravity that holds the universe together, then dark energy is the counter-force pushing the universe apart. Very early in the universe’s existence, dark matter dominated. Everything was closer together, so its density was higher than that of the dark energy, and its gravitational pull was stronger so the early galaxies could form. But as the universe continued to expand, the dark matter density, and hence the gravitational pull, decreased until it was less than that of the dark energy. So instead of the expected slowdown in the expansion rate, the now-dominant dark energy began pushing the universe apart at ever-faster rates."
Except that primordial black holes are ruled out (as 100% of dark matter) by various observational bounds, and antimatter would be just as visible as normal matter and not "dark" at all.
That aside, clouds of plasma don't really work as an explanation for dark matter either. Plasma interacts with light in ways we understand quite well, which means we would see it in astronomical observations.
Lay people: science says the universe is mostly dark energy spewed from the maw of the dark beast
Scientists: with better instrumentation and modeling it appears we may have identified what we got wrong originally about dark energy
Lay people: but we already knew the dark lords are known for their treachery and deceit
You: science and religion are the same
Scientists: we got something we can't explain. let's make something up for which we have no evidence other than there's stuff we can't explain. We'll keep pondering whether we can figure out how to detect what we just made up because we got nothing so far.
Theologian: we got something we can't explain. let's make something up for which we have no evidence other than there's stuff we can't explain.
Me: both have faith in their models
But the big difference is: Scientists are happy about "dark energy" being explained away and made superfluous. The filler being smaller or vanishing is progress. A scientist's job is to fill the gaps with proper explanations.
Theologians are the opposite, the filler is their whole reason and purpose. If you take away the filler by providing proper explanations, theologians will resist in any way possible. Progress for them is sowing doubt on all scientific explanations and spreading the influence of their filler on everything.
Is that why Einstein a nobel for his work on Brownian motion instead of relativity? I asked that sarcastically because it is well known that some of the powerful "Scientists" were very unhappy with relativity...
Special and general relativity were too new and revolutionary (and admittedly strange) so that at the time, safer bets were considered for the price.
The strangeness hasn't gone away, relativity does still take some getting used to, as does quantum mechanics. But all of those are proven scientific theories backed by experimental and observational data such that they are accepted as true within the margin of error for the corresponding data (as always in science). All predictions that could be tested stood true, we just have some predictions for extreme cases that are contradictory and currently not confirmable by experiment or observation.
Scientists, even back then, with time and data, came around to accept relativity.
Dark energy isn't like that. Dark energy is an observed problem in cosmological data we cannot explain. The expansion of the universe in some phases of it's development is faster than it should be. When we plug that data into our current cosmological theories, it looks like the energy content of the universe is higher than it should be by observation. Because it is energy and have not been able to observe it, we call it "dark energy". Explanations such as "the data is wrong", "the theories are wrong, here is a different one", "gravity is different, try this alternative to general relativity" and stuff like that haven't yielded any satisfactory theory that would fit the observations. So we are stuck with this problem called "dark energy". We haven't solved it yet.
Basically we are like before 1900, where there was no quantum mechanics, just some strange experimental results that called for a new theory that somebody had yet to invent.
That said, concepts like faith and belief are wholly independent of religion.
So if you want to denounce religion from your critical reasoning it is unnecessary to claim you also denounce the concept of “faith”.
How can anyone do anything without faith?
Why are getting in that vehicle? I have faith/believe it will take me to my destination.
Why are you fastening your seatbelt? I have faith/believe in the science that shows it will provide protection in the event of a collision.
they are both very real, as they are both known to us because of direct and indirect observation. i don't understand the "dark matter isn't real" crowd, because it is very much real, and we observe it. we can measure it. we don't know what it is comprised of, but we know it's real.
I just went to https://archive.ph/, entered the URL of the article and it produced that
https://arstechnica.com/science/2024/04/dark-energy-might-no...
https://www.theguardian.com/science/2024/apr/04/biggest-ever...
Etc
NYT's headline is sensationalistic in the sense that astronomers didn't get anything wrong. Ten years ago, when I was in grad school, all my group did was study models with a dynamic dark energy component because it was a very common opinion among cosmologists that LCDM won't be the final answer, even though it fit the data best, because there are theoretical problems with it. If there are no observations that rule out a cosmological constant, you cannot justify introducing new parameters, so what we did is trying to figure out if and by how much certain future surveys (we were focused mostly on Euclid) could see a difference between LCDM and your favorite dynamic dark energy model.
So while this is a very exciting development, it's not like astronomers world wide are now in despair that they got something wrong. I've been out of academia for a while now, but I bet it's a welcome and overdue change in our view on the universe.
https://www.nytimes.com/2024/04/03/technology/prevent-cybera...
> His job involves developing a piece of open-source database software known as PostgreSQL, whose details would probably bore you to tears if I could explain them correctly, which I can’t.
> But a few weeks later, while running some more tests at home, he noticed that an application called SSH, which is used to log into computers remotely, was using more processing power than normal. He traced the issue to a set of data compression tools called xz Utils, and wondered if it was related to the earlier errors he’d seen.
> (Don’t worry if these names are Greek to you. All you really need to know is that these are all small pieces of the Linux operating system, which is probably the most important piece of open-source software in the world. The vast majority of the world’s servers — including those used by banks, hospitals, governments and Fortune 500 companies — run on Linux, which makes its security a matter of global importance.)
I think this does a good job to indicate the general level of his audience.
I'm an engineer, I can't explain the cellular energy generation pathways in eukaryotes. Someone can, most of us would find it boring, and I can't explain it. I'm not proud of it, I just recognize my limits of my knowledge and don't pretend to know more.
But as a physicist and long-time reader I have come to really appreciate the high quality of the articles by this NYT reporter (Dennis Overbye) on physics and related disciplines.
You: I'm gonna just make up my own information and wing it, I guess.
Science being wrong is a good thing, it means we are learning and removing falsified information. At every point in time, science will be invalidating the previous state of the art, and at every point in time the current science will seem naive and simple in the future.
Expecting nothing to hold is great, it means we're learning and growing as a species. The alternative is ignorance.
If the right company pays them for the research maybe what you say is true.
Are you thinking of politicians?
Yes, "science" (rather, the vast army of people conducting science, and all of their own respective human inclinations, biases, and faults) has "gotten things wrong" more times than it's gotten them right.
That's how science intrinsically works. Meanwhile, sticking your head in the sand and doing nothing, solves nothing.
But the Prize in Medicine being given to the discovery of the therapeutic value of lobotomies can easily be more controversial than any Peace or Literature Prize, even if those categories are more often controversial than Medicine is.