Detroit went all in on big, expensive EVs nobody wants
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1) Tesla executed a remarkable 0->1 strategy, working from the Roadster (high-end luxury price, low volume) to the S (high-end luxury price, moderate volume) to the Y and 3 (low-end luxury price, high volume), creating an apparently-successful car company that only sold luxury-price vehicles. Detroit interpreted that as "everybody is ready to spend low-end luxury money for electric cars." In fact, there's still a limited number of people who can spend luxury money for cars, and Detroit is winning those back from Tesla. That's not the same thing as "building cars for people who can only spend 25K or less for a car."
2) Detroit really only builds huge cars, leading Americans who don't want huge cars to buy imports or (recently) Teslas. These buyers have greater than random overlap with the set of likely electric car buyers. Detroit tries to build huge electric cars, but those buyers tend not to want huge cars, creating bad market fit.
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I’m fine with those companies selling well because they’re doing the same thing as Hyundai/Kia are doing.
For example the Bolt is solid and GM should have done everything in their power to put one in every EV buyer’s driveway.
The bolt could have had a cabriolet version, a little higher range version, offroad, cut the price harder, etc. It is a shame to lose those years of market building. Imagine throwing that away while Toyota was gifting you that time.
The Mach-E was a decent placement, and you’d think the Cadillac could have taken a lot of Y sales away.
Rivian was smart to go toward the R3.
These EV have spotty rural and exurban charging capabilities so would rely heavily on home charging, and as another poster points out — take forever to charge.
It's like they look at premium EV brands, like Tesla, Polestar, Lucid, etc, of the world and say "it must be the electric engine" without actually considering why people are paying a premium for those vehicles.
They literally just stuck electric batteries in vehicles and tried to charge twice the price without delivering the rest of the experience.
The interiors are still largely plastic. The infotainment systems largely used crappy displays with laggy inputs. Vanity components wear extremely quickly. Technology/features are almost always behind comparably priced foreign-designed cars.
But you have to visit a fuel station and refill? How long does that take? My EV charges when I sleep, no waiting and a quarter of the cost per mile.
Edit: when someone claims that owning an EV requires waiting and you challenge that apparently you get downvoted.
Then, they slapped a $100k price tag on it without actually considering why people buy a $100k electric truck/SUV.
My diesel would require an eventual trip to refuel. My EV is fully charged every day. My use case actually saves me time.
Also, people think you need to charge an EV 100% each time on long journeys. That’s the wrong way to do it. It charges faster when closer to empty, so the optimal time to get somewhere fast is charging it just enough to get you to the next charger or your destination.
Ford is doing the right thing with the F150 lightning but they really missed with the Mustang Mach-E. All they had to do was make an electric Escape or Edge with decent range and it would compete with the Model Y.
My family is in the market for an AWD electric SUV with reasonable cargo space and actual buttons for major controls. These don’t really exist and if a manufacturer cared enough to push this they’d make a killing. The Mach-E, Ariya, Model Y, EV6, Ioniq5 don’t have much cargo space. The Honda Prologue/Chevy Blazer EV are closer to the RAV4 CR-V so we’ll see. The VW ID4 is also bigger but the touchscreen has gotten terrible reviews.
Model Ys are catching up to the RAV4 because they were the only option with decent range and charging infra while looking decent and being a reasonable size. Good for Tesla but Detroit still hasn’t learned the right lessons.
Can’t wait for more competition in this space where regular vehicles are available in electric versions. The old guard could easily build a nicer interior than a Tesla and lean into tactile controls and their dealer network. Instead they co-opt the tablet and focus on the wrong things like autopilot, sportbacks, and “futuristic” designs.
Have you test-driven a new Rav4, yet? It has all these features.
Ultimately, I purchased a FWD Camry hybrid (50+mpg), but the Rav4 AWD would have been my pick if I had family or 4x4 requirements.
I see a reasonable amount of them around my town.
The first EV midsize SUV comparable to the RAV4 in size and functionality with decent range will sell like hot cakes. Assuming the manufacturer puts a little effort behind it and doesn’t do what GM did with the Bolt/Volt.
And no Honda, I don’t want a hydrogen powered CR-V.
That said, in some places it seems to be the case: https://hongkongfp.com/2024/02/24/how-cheap-mini-electric-ve...
I guess they are just too incompatible with an existing fleet of trucks and SUV's.
I've got my ice car for road trips, but something small and zippy would be great for just short, irregular trips
The reason why this hasn't happened is because small, cheap city cars are the absolute worst-case for electrification, being that:
* Battery energy density isn't there yet; electric cars in this size only have a range of maybe 250km compared to the ~700 you can get from even older generations of turbo 3/4-cylinder engine cars so you won't even get a week's commute before you have to charge
* On-street parking (and apartment parking) is not electrified, and won't be for another couple decades; if you have the means to afford a house you can afford a superior normal car instead anyway
* Proper charging takes about 45 minutes up from the 5 minutes it takes to charge a normal car, and you have to do that every few days rather than every two weeks
* Stiff competition from used normal cars are still cheaper to own, operate, and insure, and the normal cars are superior products
If batteries had 4x the energy density (or a consolation prize of being able to charge fully in 2 minutes) it'd be a different story. But they don't, so any EV smaller than an SUV is a strictly inferior product to a normal car at the same price bracket.