Jails banned visits in "quid pro quo" with prison phone companies, lawsuits say
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The terrible thing is that not only are the prices predatory, but they arguably harm rehabilitation, since family contact is associated with better (i.e. lower) recidivism rates.
Yes, writing letters, definitely a reasonable alternative to phone calls, no concerns about timeliness and even delivery.
Not to mention that a significant portion of prisoners are illiterate or very weakly literate.
I work in the telecom industry and the the prison phone scam drive me absolutely nuts because I know the actual costs so well. I could easily and profitably provide a system at a fraction of the costs these ripoff vendors charge, but of course then there would be nothing to split with the prison, the state, etc.
Before reading the numbers in the rest of this, bear in mind that in many places inmates wages are only in the ballpark or $0.15-$0.30 per hour of labor. [0]
For example [1]:
> In January, the Florida Department of Corrections (FDC) adopted new restrictions [...] Incoming mail—including handwritten letters, cards, and photos, but excluding legal mail—will be digitized by JPay, a for-profit contractor [...] People in prison will only be able to view the scanned version on their personal tablets or at communal kiosks. They won’t get the originals, but they can request to have scans printed for them for a fee: $0.10 per page for black-and-white copies, $1 per page for color.
> [...] In North Carolina, senders must now use an app from the contractor TextBehind to draft letters or create digital cards and drawings. Fees start at $0.49 and increase with every photo or drawing.
Even with e-mail, it can cost someone $0.05/minute just for the time spent typing things out, even before sending or printing. [2]
[0] https://www.prisonpolicy.org/blog/2017/04/10/wages/
[1] https://www.vera.org/news/more-and-more-prisons-are-banning-...
[2] https://blog.mozilla.org/en/products/firefox/the-banality-of...
When I saw the subheadline "'Hundreds of jails' eliminated visits," I assumed this allegation was going to related to the places that used COVID as an excuse (valid or not) to cut in-person visits. I was surprised to find that these allegations pre-date that, even though I'm aware that many places have come up with all sorts of other reasons to discourage in-person visits, like concern that visitors might sneak drugs or other items inside. (Which isn't to say I agree with that justification.)
Only kinda related, but I also find it crazy when I read about getting rid of prison libraries in favor of making incarcerated folks (and really, their families) buy books (or pay per minute) on tablet devices.
But why are free people being punished and restricted so much when they choose to interact with people in jail? It isn't like people in jail make enough money to pay for these phone calls, it is friends and family that have to pay the bills.
This is even worse when the interactions are with people who have yet to be convicted, and are supposedly presumed innocent in the eyes of the law, it certainly doesn't seem that way.
https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=false&qu...
Let's say we follow your proposed incentives: how do we, as a company, prevent inmates from re-offending after release? Well, let's just not release any but the prisoners who are least likely to re-offend! No need to waste funds on expensive rehabilitation: just come up with an accurate means of estimating a convict's chances of re-offending, and accuse them of bad behavior so they never make parole. Problem solved!
And sure, I'm not expecting you to draft a whole incentive structure in an HN post, but any incentive structure that anyone could come up with is going to have holes like that.
Fundamentally, the problem is not that incentives are wrong, it's that some people are only incentivized by money, and no matter what conditions we put between them and money, it's not going to be the same as being incentivized by helping people. People who are only incentivized by money are not good people and we need to stop naively pretending that's fixable with tweaks to the incentive structure.
As long as there is money to be made in controlling human rights, the fox is in charge of the henhouse. We need to take money out of situations like this.
Another issue is that as someone smarter than me said who was quoted by Russ Roberts on econtalk: You are not allowed to ask for better people. The right system must make the wrong people do the right thing.
To come back to our concrete subject at hand: Don't penalize the penal institution for reoffense, but reward them if former inmates stay out of jail. I'd make the ongoing pay for inmates being in jail just low enough to not be profitable with performance bonuses set at several intervals after the inmates were released and didn't mess up again. This somewhat opens the door for releasing inmates early. I'd need to contemplate and discuss with experts on how early released currently gets decided on to come up with a good way to address this, but it seems like there are several good-sounding options. This even might be a non-issue if the increased likelihood of a future bonus outweighs the cost of the inmate staying longer in prison.
There are obvious ways, you're just discounting any solution that doesn't involve corporations taking profits.
> Another issue is that as someone smarter than me said who was quoted by Russ Roberts on econtalk: You are not allowed to ask for better people. The right system must make the wrong people do the right thing.
This argument is obviously wrong because it proves too much. We obviously can limit who we put in charge of solving problems--why not, after all, just lock everyone in a prison with no wardens and let the prisoners sort themselves out? After all our hands are tied, we can't limit who we put in charge!
> To come back to our concrete subject at hand: Don't penalize the penal institution for reoffense, but reward them if former inmates stay out of jail. I'd make the ongoing pay for inmates being in jail just low enough to not be profitable with performance bonuses set at several intervals after the inmates were released and didn't mess up again. This somewhat opens the door for releasing inmates early. I'd need to contemplate and discuss with experts on how early released currently gets decided on to come up with a good way to address this, but it seems like there are several good-sounding options. This even might be a non-issue if the increased likelihood of a future bonus outweighs the cost of the inmate staying longer in prison.
Obviously this is a better incentive structure than what we have, but why are you insisting putting money as an intermediary measure here?
What I mean is, whatever measure of how well a rehabilitation system is working, is already going to be an imperfect model of how well that rehabilitation system is actually working. Adding a payment scheme to this adds a second imperfect model: now in addition to modeling how a rehabilitation system works, you're imperfectly modeling how the payment scheme will affect the achievement of your already-imperfect metrics. This is not necessary, and is going to make the entire system less effective. This is an unnecessary complication which you are insisting upon because of a misguided economic ideology.
The same pro-corporate, anti-human ideology that created this problem is not going to be the solution to this problem.
Specifically responding to this bit: "I'd make the ongoing pay for inmates being in jail just low enough to not be profitable"
This means that all the corporation has to do is find a way to make a thin margin of profit beyond what you're paying them, and the incentive shifts in favor of keeping inmates in jail indefinitely. Sell inmates' private data? Sell prison labor (a.k.a. slavery)? Sell phone calls? Gouge prices on commissary? You know... the things they're already doing.
How about we release members of rival gangs in pairs? If one kills the other, that's one reoffense, but the other can't reoffend any more, so that might just be profitable.
What if inmates with a high reoffense risk just happened to have medically necessary amputations? It's harder to commit sex crimes if you don't have genitals, and harder to commit violent crimes if you don't have a leg.
What if we just release inmates in other jurisdictions so they reoffend away from where reoffense stats are being collected?
Remember: if you aren't willing to do it, your competitor will!
Lots of different forms of corporate malfeasance have been illegalized in the century and a half since the industrial revolution, and yet, corporations are still harming people for profit because they keep "innovating" new ways to make a profit with no consideration for whether it harms people. It's absurd to keep playing whack-a-mole with the latest corporate "innovations" because you can't imagine any motivation to do anything besides money.
And of course we want to avoid government overreach here, right? So we shouldn't regulate against things that we don't know are happening or put too many burdensome auditing requirements to actually find out if bad things are happening. We've got to give corporations a few decades of profits before some good people sacrifice their careers to smuggle out compelling evidence that bad things are happening... only then can we start making laws to protect people--the free market comes before protecting people.