Ask HN: you're rich, now what?
Let's say you sold your startup yesterday for enough cash that you never have to work or worry about money again.
What would you do now?
Let's say you sold your startup yesterday for enough cash that you never have to work or worry about money again.
What would you do now?
I went to the most peaceful spot I could find, and relaxed. I did nothing. http://www.vimeo.com/1292105
After only a couple days, it was never more clear that I was never doing anything for the money anyway, and the reason I'm always working, driving, pushing, learning, growing, and building companies is NOT about the future-goal but increasing the quality of my present moment. It's exciting! It's fun!
So, I started working again. Not because I have to, but beacuse I want to. It makes my brain spark in a way that not-working doesn't.
So here I am again, programming, excited about some new thing I'm working on, exactly the same as before I sold the company. I didn't buy anything because there's nothing I want. My debts were already paid off.
Philip Greenspun's article really does describe it best. http://philip.greenspun.com/materialism/early-retirement/
So does Felix Dennis' book How to Get Rich. http://www.amazon.com/dp/1591842050
Feel free to contact me directly if you have any specific questions you don't feel comfortable posting on the board here. http://sivers.org
- Derek
I keep telling myself someday...
1. You make your own choices, and there's always tradeoffs. It sounds like you've decided that a busy internship and a high load class schedule are more important to you than working on a startup. Own that decision...you'll own the consequences. If you don't feel it's the right path, change it.
2. Be careful about telling yourself someday...it can easily turn into never. Not saying there's not better times for some things than others, but lean towards taking messy plunges rather than waiting for the stars to align.
Unless I'm misreading you, you appear to be saying "that guy had options I don't have". In my opinion, that's the kind of mentality that causes a person to "marginalize" himself.
$5 million isn't enough according to a very interesting New York Times article: http://www.nytimes.com/2007/08/05/technology/05rich.html
So how much does it typically take for someone in Silicon Valley to "solve the money problem"?
A couple of those people in the article have homes worth over $1m that they own free and clear while they work 70 hours a week to make ends meet. Not smart. Mortgage the house to 70-80% (rates are dirt cheap right now) and invest the cash at the aforementioned 8%, which adds $100k / year to your bottom line, plus the tax benefits.
They all chose to live in Silicon Valley and continued to aspire to be hundred-millionares instead of enjoying what they have. Some people don't deserve their wealth.
So you're saying it's bad if rich people continue to build things instead of switching to being mere consumers?
I am a firm believer that you can make money from anything you have a passion in. Chase that.
Improve yourself: go back to school and get a degree in history, or music, or art; travel to another continent and live somewhere new long enough to learn the language; write a book, and read a lot of other peoples'.
Improve others: get your teaching certificate (usually <1 year of school) and teach math to middle-school students; tutor kids at a local library or after-school program in computers; adopt.
Then in few years, attempt another start-up (but without risking my entire wealth on it - won't put more $100k into it) and if that fails, take a job (without regards to pay or seniority of position) at a research lab / university / technology company I believe in.
I've found (by other people I know actually getting rich) that there's really nothing you can say or do with your money where you won't come off as a condescending prick to someone who knew you and imagines that they are in some small (or not so small) part responsible for your current success.
Failing the "keep it a secret" part, Warren Buffet's life suggests that just implementing the second part will go a long way in itself.
2. I'll work on creating beautiful, useful, innovative products.
3. Backpacking, flying paper planes, watching cartoons, video games, reading fiction by the fireplace, writing, etc
4. I'll fund cool projects using the YC model.
[I do these things now on a smaller scale. If I'm rich, I'll be able to do much more of these, which would be awesome.]
No office dress code, woohoo.
Do some startup funding on useful wearable keyboards, better software for small helpdesks/teams (I have plenty of ideas), better software/user interfaces for virtual desktops, but with grouped applications by user task.
Inject self replicating nanobots under all of Africa, acting as a synthetic water table, pumping, purifying, filtering seawater from the coast and bringing it inland, then piping it up to the surface.
Secretly hire a contracting company to rip out the traffic lights at a nearby road island and replace them with my new design. Keep stats and, when convincing enough, announce the change to all and pressure to get all traffic lights in the country moved over.
Bring some ultra-fantastic business internet access to this area for a reasonable cost, spam the town with wifi and build a couple of good datacenters around, buy various shop facilities around the town and surreptitiously start selling the right kinds of interesting things, buy a couple of central indoor spaces and run barcamp/unconvention/XYZcons regularly. Try to seed and cultivate a high tech, hacker friendly yet quirky and personal friendly cafe style environment around here. Or maybe in another country with better weather. Or maybe both.
Daydream, in other words, while feeling awkward, guilty and undeserving.
I sold my first company in 1997 and am launching my 10th in January. It never gets old.
Most people give me the eye like "Ah ha! He has some plan that he isn't ready to divulge.", but really. I don't know. I'm working on it now.
Once is luck. Twice is skill.
Hopefully I'll get to the point where I can live comfortably off the wealth generated by work I've already completed. If I do, at that point, I won't stop using the computer. I won't stop writing software. I will stop setting the alarm clock though, and I'll stop saying "I have to work" to my wife when I'd rather be spending time with her, and I'll stop working with hard deadlines.
I won't sit on a beach all day, but a few hours a day would be very nice!
As a side note, the reason this is always the first site I visit when I am on the internet -- because everybody is exploring their chosen problem space passionately for the fun/excitement of it.
Now, of course there will be counter-examples, but these are not the majority, and generally come in those fields where you have to digest a great amount of material and push your way through for long stretches of time (grad students and post-docs also tend to figure prominently in these cases)
Sure, that'd probably mean spending most of my time doing another startup, but not to prove it wasn't luck the first time.
To me being rich is not about money, its about being able to do what I want to do, when I want to do it. Money only buys me freedom, and thats it.
Having said that, I would sit back, kick of my shoes for a couple of months, and spend time introspecting. What's my purpose, what do I want out of life. Then go out the pursue that.
Spending time on a quiet beach sounds great, but gets old quickly.
And yes, 2 chicks :D
also, 2 chicks.
http://www.flickr.com/photos/60601862@N00/942476116/
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When I'd done enough of nothing, I'd create and record some music. Rock, techno, maybe a hybid of both.
Then I'd try and rediscover the joy of programming, now that I didn't have to do it for money.
I don't think I have to be rich to do all of this (though that might get me nicer accommodations, better guitars, and more impressive equipment), but haven't yet figured out the details of how to do it from my own economic situation. Getting out of debt is probably a good starting point.
Then I'd fly to the moon in a craft that costs less than $100 million and paint a big fat logo up there.
Or you could get Hancock to do it for you ... :)
Trying to off-load your wife on other people? tsk, tsk
- Clean up all friends/family student loans and credit - Build a new house, buy anything I want - Start a college fund for my nephew - Do it again
2) If the money is larger than just being comfortably set, I'd split it into two pieces -- one being a charitable giving platform modelled after the Bill and Melinda Gates foundation ( http://www.gatesfoundation.org/grantseeker/Pages/foundation-... ).
3) The other half into a fund for playing / investing / geeking. I think once you get to the point that you have enough money that you don't need to go into work any more the next horizon is to make other people successful like you (looking at YC, here)
On the other hand, if it was enough less that this wasn't really doable, I'd at least structure the money in such a way that I couldn't blow it immediately. I understand that it's too common for lottery winners to become depressed and possibly even suicidal after mismanaging their money. It would be important to cover this before I started spending money on things that I would think I wanted (Porsche 911 turbo comes to mind immediately).
- Unbelievably boring places with not enough fun and way too much education. You bring your kids to the zoo so they can learn something, not so some boring guide and put them to sleep with stuff that would probably put a zoology professor off.
- Shamelessly profit minded. SeaWorld, I'm looking at you. Blatant animal abuse for the "entertainment" of the masses - come see our lazy, fat animals roam about ready to expire at a moment's notice, but feel free to buy more overpriced feed so you can keep stuffing their gullets! What? Educational factor? Whuzzat?
Maybe I wouldn't create a zoo if I were rich, but it wouldn't be a waste of time. The world desperately needs zoos and aquariums that are able to educate as well as entertain.
Start with a Very, Very Large Fortune.
Fun: * Actually spend the summer playing tennis, instead of in crunch mode. * Take my parents to Wimbledon, the French Open, the US Open, and the Australian Open. * Re-activate my Scuba licence, and spend some time diving. * Go sky-diving * Go on a "shooting range tour" where I fire all those guns you only see in games and movies, and to some kind of CQB training. * Learn to fly a plane * Learn to fly a helicopter * Re-learn how to ski and spend more time doing that. * Spend more time playing piano. Maybe learn the cello, the violin, or guitar. * Spend some time in extremely remote locations, like the high-seas, in mountains, or underground.
Non-Commercial Research: * Read even more. Make sure I've read the classics. * Spend a few years really learning Physics, at least up to EM with relativistic effects, QM, and GR. * Learn cell and molecular biology fundamentals. * Research Superconductivity. * Research computer vision, motion control, learning, and memory. * Research and implement a lifestyle that maximizes my own cognitive abilities, even if it's eccentric. * Re-learn French and German. Learn Mandarin and Japanese. * Research and implement programming languages. * Research meta-programming.
Make: * Build a legged tele-operated or autonomous robot. * Build a submarine * Start or contribute to open-source projects in games, simulation, and education. * Start a game studio. * Become a competent illustrator * Make an animated short. * Make a smart sci-fi film * Build a virtual CAVE.
... you get the idea ...
Having said that, I saved some money and took two years off to pursue all of my life-interests (mine, in fact, are quite similar to yours) but when it came down to it, I surfed the web, played games, did a small amount of programming and just doddled around all day for the majority of my time off. Then I went back to work.
To me it comes down to one thing: purpose. If you have no specific purpose, you just get caught-up in day-to-day living. The main thing I learned in my two years off is that I can accomplish 99% of what I want to do with my life whether I have a job or not.
That doesn't mean anything to me. I want to build things. And some things I want to build cost lots of money.
Robots, micronations, space elevators...
I'd probably buy a good home theatre system, with giantrobotlasers
Let's say, realistically, that I have $10M.
First of all I'd cut all unnecessary costs, rent a smaller flat and spend a year thinking about my life, studying something just to clean my mind, collecting startup ideas. It is important not to freak out.
Then, I can either go back to the university or start another company. I think it depends on my thoughts during this gap year.
Share the wealth with my family.
Who is this Greenspun fella?!
I would build a small workshop and/or apprentice with someone to learn how to do some modest woodworking. It appeals to me as a nice hobby, but one which time and resources do not allow me to pursue at this point.
I would practice guitar more often/seriously.
I would read more often, and spend more time in quiet reflection.
I would continue to develop applications, as I love many aspects of it.
I would take a vacation per quarter rather than a vacation per year.
Basically, commit more time to improving myself and my skills rather than committing more time towards improving my financial condition.
I'm curious how you found out about this, and what you think of it?
See my comment there: http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=388401
Edit: Just ordered Vol 1 of the Orwell essays from abebooks [much cheaper than Amazon]
But then? Pursue all of my crazy number of hobbies to excess. Attend Stanford or a similar institution (for the love of learning, not for a specific goal). Be able to let my wife find the job she wants rather than the one she needs. And so forth.
Heck. I guess I'd do the same thing as now, except I'd have more resources to do it with.
Leisure rich: I would study martial arts, get personal training every day, and work on projects with my friends.
• Move to the SF area
• Attend loads of cool conferences
• Splash out on some new gear — a new Mac for starters
• Be able to spend a lot more time on personal projects
• Start a new startup; its not work if you enjoy doing it. ;) • Buy more fontsThen I would continue doing things similar to now, but with no business model in mind. I would also travel more.
Sadly(?) I think thats all that would change.