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If someone really needs to drive into Manhattan most days perhaps they should move to a place that's close to a PATH, LIRR, Metro-North, subway, ferry, or other transit system.

> The residents "dealing with the costs" also need things delivered

This generally works in favor of people within the congestion zone, because time is money and delivery drivers can do far more deliveries per hour.

> or a ride to the places mass transit doesn't support

Residents of Manhattan below 59th can easily take one of the above-mentioned transit options to get to Jersey City, Queens, Brooklyn, or Harlem, and get in an Uber or Zipcar from there. But if someone needs to do this most days, perhaps they shouldn't be living in Manhattan.

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I live in Brooklyn and have a rarely used car. I'm 100% onboard with taking the train, walking, or biking. There should be so many more open streets as well.

The only issue I have with any of this is when I want to LEAVE the city. I pay tolls on the way out and on the way in currently that get me close to $30. Now it's closer to $45 if I enter the zone.

Ok but New Jersey charges people to leave, and leaving Jersey is a hot commodity!

I have to admit that's an expensive trip to leave and return to the city now. Might be nice if there were a discount for verified residents of Manhattan, but given existing issues with placard abuse throughout the NYPD I bet any exceptions would get abused to hell and back.

>If someone really needs to drive into Manhattan most days perhaps they should move to a place that's close to a PATH, LIRR, Metro-North, subway, ferry, or other transit system.

So "not in Queens", then? Jesus Christ.

Shame to see you so downvoted. The spoiled rich fucks on this board have absolutely no idea just how inaccessible or poorly accessible most of the outer boroughs are and think that a 2-3hr commute (oh those perfectly-running subway lines!) is a perfectly reasonable alternative to paying $5000/mo for a studio.

They're also tripping over themselves to kick every rent stabilized (and statistically-insignificant rent controlled) renter to the invisible corners of the city where their less career-blessed asses belong.

Honestly NYC is a shit show and I don't know why people live there. SI to Manhattan takes like 2 hours at best. You don't even really get any benefit from living in NYC in the outer boroughs.

I think the main response would be ‘then dont live there’. I live in a city cheaper than NYC, but I moved to a cheaper area further out due to cost.

Land is unfortunately limited. Someone else is willing to pay more for the space than I am.

I understand moving sucks and prices in areas change, but this is still an area where a functioning market is better on whole.

> ‘then dont live there’

I hear you but for most people that translates to "don't be born there". Most of the same people who would tell you if you can't afford it move out are the same people who think NYC should be a sanctuary city for illegal immigrants because they were born in unfortunate circumstances and desire a better life.

I've moved in and out of NYC several times and each of those moves ended up costing between 5k and 10k in expenses. Broke people can't afford that shit.

I don’t think “don’t be born there” applies to NYC anyway. Less than half of the residents were born in NY state. (So some percent less than that born in NYC itself.)

We need ‘some’ method to allocate residences, and price seems to be the best one we have.

Maybe give people $10k in loans to move out of NYC… they’ll more than save that money by committing from another state.

You know not everyone works in tech? Or has a job that is not as available anywhere else? Or has elderly parents to support? Or lives in subsidized housing that is difficult to secure elsewhere? Or doesn't actually have the disposable income required to relocate? The NYC area accounts for ~10% GDP for the richest country in the world. Why doesn't everyone just move? [GTFOH](https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=GTFOH)

If you can't move, and cannot work remotely, there are still lots of other options including finding work literally anywhere in driving distance that isn't below 59th St in Manhattan.

It depends where in Queens. The buses are actually not bad these days, they get you to the subway or LIRR.

Some parts of Queens are better than others. But infrastructure changes (which is what this is) always results in people finding new jobs or new homes.

I love the “just move bro” responses to things like this.

Almost as good as the “let’s just do nothing” responses.

Guess which one is actually possible for the average person.

Both really. One is just easier than the other.

just liek stop being poor or sOmEThing....

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