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The 10-year-old "Golden Boy" Faustino Oro beat Magnus Carlsen yesterday

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No chess player ever wants to play a child. If you win, congratulations, you beat a child. If you lose, you were beaten by a child whom everyone will conclude is smarter than you.

In a 1 minute bullet game. Still a great achievement, but let's take it easy with the hyperbole (like "Messi of chess", as in the Tweet).

So it's like me beating some platinum rated player in an FPS match (me being gold rated), which I wouldn't expect to happen consistently?

I don't know much about chess. But my understanding is that Magnus has been so far ahead of everyone else for such a long time, that being beaten by a 10 year old is a big deal. I wonder if others better informed could add to the conversation.

It's a 1min game, called "bullet" (faster than "blitz" which is already a fast format where people can sometimes beat much better player). The game is here : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bw5zBnhgqgk

The kid is good, almost 3000 rated at this age is impressive. Magnus is far from unfamiliar with this format as well so beating Magnus is not nothing. But this format involved some luck and a 3000 rated player (online) will take some games from Magnus, sometimes. It's not a slower, over the board game where almost nobody has a chance against Magnus. It's pretty much a different game.

For non chess players: 1 minute means the players each have 1 minute total thinking time for the entire game.

Except there's a concept called "premove" - you can move when your opponent hasn't moved yet, and if possible it will be played automatically once he does, taking no time off your clock. But of course, you have to guess what he's going to do.

Time for premove depends on the website you play in. I think chesscom premove time is 0.01 seconds. lichess premove time used be 0 seconds, I think they added a millisecond recently.

Lol guessed it when I read the title. But I genuinely get annoyed now when you have headlines that says some kid beat Carlsen and it turns out it's some bullet, blitz or rapid game. Debate all you want and I'm sure plenty of people have debated it to death but it doesn't count unless it's a classical game and they should stop headlining these irrelevant shorter time control games against kids.

Carlsen says he's not sure he'll play in classical round robin tournaments again, he wants to play the faster formats.

Faster formats = rapid (25 minutes more or less), not 1 minute. Bullet (1 minute) is way less predictable (trick openings, etc). I think pretty much any 2300+ player could beat Magnus at bullet a few percent of the time. My money would be on Magnus every game, but I'd expect to lose once in a while.

There was an online game (3 minute) where GM Luis Paolo Supi beat Magnus using an insane checkmate trap. It was all over youtube, showing Magnus shaking his hand as if it had burned. See: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o6jpYWwGRD8 (Added: Gothamchess analysis, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NX4tGHEjItY )

Still, doing that at age 10 is impressive.

its like winning a mini game of half court shoot out with stephen curry.

still well done on the kid tho lol. at 10 i dont even have enough iq.

A rapid game would count as a huge achievement as it's Carlsen's specialty, and it's probably not very easy to beat him at blitz either.

It's still a huge achievement. Carlsen is probably still top two or three in the world at bullet.

For the kid (or any player), of course, beating Magnus in a game is the chess memory of a lifetime.

But [for the public] as far as signifying anything meaningful in the global chess landscape ... not really.

It could be that in the little advantages game, a super smart kid at 10 has a brain which is more performant than from someone at 33, even if it is Magnus Carlsen. Because this is a "bullet" style and not a normal Chess game with more time to think and correct thinking errors.

I mean Indian pragdanandha defeated carlsen 2 years ago at 16. He was defeated a bunch last year. He loses a significant number, he’s just really good so those losses don’t hurt his image much.

That said, 10 years old is very different from 16.

Why do we teach children chess? They wasted years of my time at school with the false belief that the intelligence built was transferrable to other domains. Not true for chess, for learning another language or playing a musical instrument. They didn't know that then but today there is no excuse.

It's totally irresponsible to have a child waste their finite learning window acquiring a skill with no utility. A skilled child chess champion is a tragic story of what could have been, if only their parents had seen more potential in their future beyond winning a board game against the homeless. Clearly capable, but mislead

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