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Gemini on the iPhone would be AI's mainstream moment

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Given this is a CNET link it’s exactly what I would expect an LLM to say about itself.

A lot of our media has been replaced by two LLMs in a trench coat.

I'm pretty sure the media is the trench coat and always has been.

I'm kind of disgusted by the contempt people in tech have for journalists, when the tech people are the ones who authored the current media ecosystem.

"people in tech" and "the tech people" are very unfortunate generalisations.

Almost like we shouldn't be generalizing an entire professional sector with statements like "I hate journalists", huh?

The blame for the decline in journalism lies squarely at the feet of the architects of the ad based internet economy.

I agree, but that doesn’t mean CNET is a reliable news source.

I agree that CNET sucks, but it's very emblematic of the affiliate marketing bullshit that has infested the internet for a while now.

I have chatGPT on my phone and I barely use it.

I use it a lot on the desktop (paid account).

I've used Gemini or Bard probably a couple of times.

I don't see a great mainstream moment.

If they could bring agentic interaction to phone, I think it will fundamentally change the way we interact. Based on my experiments with GPT-4V it's close to being there but AI still hasn't reached that point. And given they are using tiny model in comparison, it would be hard to do that.

I don’t do much on my phone. I avoid downloading apps in general.

But I use ChatGPT on it multiple times a day.

That’s us though. The mainstream prefers the phone for everything (as crazy as that seems).

ChatGPT was AI's mainstream moment.

I hate journalists.

I really don’t think that’s true at all. ChatGPT is absolutely not mainstream. It’s pierced the consciousness of the tech-savvy, which maybe be our world, but is decidedly not mainstream. Most people would have no idea how to even use it, they hear about it from headlines. Having it in your pocket and interacting with it on a near-daily basis would be that mainstream moment, whether Apple gets there this year or Google manages to get that feature in tens of millions of phones through an update to its essential services through the Play Store. But your comment definitely shows what it means to be in a bubble.

We’ve purchased an annual subscription for my 85 yo (long time retired) inlaws. They use it daily. They ask their doctors insightful questions and get better care. They planned trips with it. They get recipe advice. I don’t know how much more penetration it should have to be considered mainstream but it certainly feels more widely available and used than what Google was 25 years ago, despite having a subscription model.

Do they double check the information for hallucinations?

I'd personally be scared to promote usage of this for someone (especially a senior) who wouldn't have the ability and discipline to.

Not sure what you mean? If the recipe is not right it is no major problem but so far all was great. Their trips and questions have been on the spot and it has helped them dramatically.

Naw all the kids are using it cheat on their homework

> It’s pierced the consciousness of the tech-savvy... most people would have no idea how to even use it...

They've had 100+ million weekly users for over half a year

Google Plus had 100 million active users. Wouldn't have called that mainstream either. Apple's iMessage has 1 billion MAU - that's the kind of scale that Apple can achieve, instead of being a niche novelty for most people, or as others have brought up, the go-to tool to write essays for English 207.

So in your view 100 million MAU is not mainstream while 1 billion is. Where is your cutoff? Absent some criteria you’re just arbitrarily defining goalposts.

> ChatGPT is absolutely not mainstream

Majority of teens have heard of it and 13% admit using it to cheat on homework, probably much more used it to cheat than admits to it and even more than that used it for any reason. Also note how the rate hoes up a lot in older kids, they probably have more homework so more pressed to cheat.

https://www.pewresearch.org/short-reads/2023/11/16/about-1-i...

> Majority of teens have heard of it and 13% admit using it

Your source says "Roughly one-in-five teenagers *who have heard of ChatGPT* say they have used it".

This is certainly not "majority" of teens.

67% of teens have heard of it, that is a majority. Of those about 1 in 5 have used it to do their homework, in total 13% of all teens have which matches what I said and the exact numbers you find in the article.

All my numbers and descriptions there are correct, it is you who made the mistake here.

I think it’s a mistake because the whole point of using Apple is not to use Google

Apple will hardly let it's users know they are using Google. They will name it like Siri ultra pro Max and say they built this.

Sad but probably true

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