Comment by mopsi | Hacker News Reader

Comment by mopsi | Hacker News Reader

Parent Full thread

> I demand you start making peace, American.

I already told you that I am not an American. I am not even from the Anglosphere, so the self-loathing does not evoke any emotions from me.

Furthermore, I come from a country that already tried "making peace" with Russians during the Woodrow Wilson-inspired era of neutrality in Europe. We stayed neutral, trying to maintain good relations with everyone, even with Nazi Germany and the USSR. In the end, both invaded us, murdered national elite from politicians to doctors to lawyers to scholars to everyone else who could run the country and challenge the puppet government they installed, and sent sizable part of the population in entire families to die in remote prison camps. That was followed by a Russian military occupation, which lasted until 1991. The occupation was characterized by deep economic stagnation and systematic attempts to wipe out our nation by suppressing our language and culture and by mass resettlement of Russians into our country. By the time USSR collapsed, the average wage was less than 30 dollars per month and we were on the verge of becoming a minority in our own country.

Lack of strong alliances in Europe against totalitarian dictatorships is a key reason why this happened to so many countries in Europe. Western Europe successfully defeated Nazis and restored freedom in 1945. In Eastern Europe, defeating Russians took 50 years longer.

> Russia, fighting a defensive war on its own 2000-km long border with Ukraine

Nothing says defensive war like shooting 31 ballistic missiles, worth 400 million dollars, at a peaceful European city Kyiv, hundreds of kilometers from the frontline. Results of the attack that took place earlier today: all missiles shot down, but debris fell on a kindergarten and residential buildings. Shockwaves from air-defence missiles blew out windows in apartment buildings. A power substation and a residential building caught fire. Fortunately no deaths, but 10 people injured, including a child.

And this has gone on for more than two years, day after day, while apologists like you make excuses for this behaviour and lecture others about morals.

> The world does not want to live like Americans do, either.

Indeed. I want to live the way I choose, not the way Russians want to force me, with your approval.

>Not an American

Most certainly a serf-subject in one of its puppet states, then, perhaps an active member of NATO - already well known across the globe for committing decades of atrocity in states deemed inferior by a heinously racist oligarchic ruling class in the Western hemisphere.

>Furthermore, I come from a country that already tried "making peace" with Russians during the Woodrow Wilson-inspired era of neutrality in Europe.

The USSR is long gone.

Its the 21st Century. New diplomacy is possible. We just don't do that any more, though. We (Western nations) prefer to see trillions of dollars spent on war and calamity instead.

>Nothing says defensive war like ..

.. stating, repeatedly for decades, that the presence of NATO-aligned forces within km's of Russias borders was a red line and would be treated as an act of aggression against Russia, which reserved the right to respond - AS EVERY SINGLE NATION IN THE WORLD HAS THAT RIGHT. This was stated, countless times leading up to the calamity, but it was utterly ignored by NATO allies in their rush to Russia's border.

The victims of the Wests' imperialist aggression know full well that NATO is not a good force in the world. NATO has the blood of millions, and millions of peoples lives on its hands - maybe they are not European and therefore not considered as important as European victims, in your mind?

>And this has gone on for more than two years

Two years? This conflict begins in 2008.

Nobody wants this war, which is why it is such a travesty that it happened. It could have been prevented, had there actually been any diplomatic actions taken by Western nations, including Ukraine. However, the risk of war was taken instead, and now here we are - in spite of multiple repeated warnings.

>I want to live the way I choose, not the way Russians force me to, with your approval.

Then face the consequences for the way those actions are received by your enemies.

Would you be so willing to have your enemy build 10 bases along your border, all the while saying they "don't mean you any harm" while their military is busy actively demolishing countless sovereign states around the world, murdering millions of innocent people in cold blood, building 1,000 bases across the landscape for the purpose of torture and other highly illegal activities?

Because thats what the US and its allies had been doing, in the DECADES leading up to the Ukraine conflict. To a very significant portion of the worlds population, the US and its allies STARTED WORLD WAR 3 with the illegal invasion of Iraq in 2003, and the subsequent cold-blooded murder of 5% of its population. Were you not paying attention to this atrocity - because the Russians surely did.

Ukraine is just the latest in a long string of heinous atrocities that were called for by the US' military junta (PNAC) in its desire to refactor the ENTIRE WORLD according to their highly specious cultural imperative.

I highly doubt your country would tolerate having its enemies begin construction of hostile bases along its borders.

I understand, however, your lack of empathy for this point, since it counter-acts the war-lust with which you are clearly afflicted.

> I understand, however, your lack of empathy for this point, since it counter-acts the war-lust with which you are clearly afflicted.

So an Australian living in Austria keeps gaslighting Eastern Europeans about their experience with russia.

Then keeps telling them to eat russian shit or face consequences.

Then keeps spewing flat-earth level conspiracy shit with extreme conviction, arrogance and aggression.

Completely ignores the plight of current or previous russian atrocities.

Then accuses others of lacking empathy.

> Most certainly a serf-subject in one of its puppet states, then, perhaps an active member of NATO - already well known across the globe for committing decades of atrocity in states deemed inferior by a heinously racist oligarchic ruling class in the Western hemisphere.

It's infinitly amusing how you keep trying to pin Anglo-American obsessions on a person like me from a completely different culture. We don't have oligarchs, because Russians stole everything when they occupied the country and forced us into communism. Real estate, businesses, factories, even single-family farms deemed too big were confiscated. Economically speaking, the entire country had to start from scratch in 1991. Nor do we have much history with racism, because until the USSR collapsed and borders opened up, virtually no-one had ever met a black person. I was well into adulthood when I met a black person for the first time. Felt like meeting an alien. :)

As to serfdom, my grandfather's grandfather was born as an actual slave in Russian empire. Bought and sold like property. I don't find many similarities between my current situation and his life back then.

> The USSR is long gone.

The way Russian Federation treats its neighbours is no different from how the USSR or the Russian empire treated them. There was a glimpse of hope for change in early 1990s, but those were crushed when Russia launched an extremely violent war against Chechenya, and when Soviet hardliners managed to consolidate power and put their man in charge of Russia again.

> I highly doubt your country would tolerate having its enemies begin construction of hostile bases along its borders.

Nobody was building any bases anywhere before Russia invaded Ukraine. Europe saw unprecedented reduction of both domestic and foreign troops, down by 5-10x compared to Cold War levels. For example, German army went from 300k+ soldiers and 3800 tanks in 1980 down to 60k soldiers and 225 tanks in 2015. The US had 5000 tanks in Germany in 1989. By 2015, none were left. The story about "enemies building baseses along Russian borders" is complete nonsense. Have you not bothered to look up facts?

> Would you be so willing to have your enemy build 10 bases along your border, all the while saying they "don't mean you any harm" while their military is busy actively demolishing countless sovereign states around the world, murdering millions of innocent people in cold blood, building 1,000 bases across the landscape for the purpose of torture and other highly illegal activities?

That's the life I'm living right now, less than 200 km from Russian border. Russia has been modernizing, rebuilding and expanding their army since mid-2000s, and they started/are currently waging the largest war in Europe since the WWII on completely fabricated excuses. For three decades, Russians have been threatening that "the masters will be back". Should we bomb Moscow before that happens?

Reply on news.ycombinator.com