My conclusion was that PPP is useful as a bargain-hunting tool, but not as a model for broad price analysis.
Here's that for anyone interested:
https://old.reddit.com/r/lego/comments/1328f52/detailed_lego...
My conclusion was that PPP is useful as a bargain-hunting tool, but not as a model for broad price analysis.
Here's that for anyone interested:
https://old.reddit.com/r/lego/comments/1328f52/detailed_lego...
There is a lot of comparisons, but the most convincing one maybe the LEGO Ferarri (42125) vs. CADA Italian Super Car (C61042W) video[1] of "Held der Steine" (german youtube channel). The LEGO is "parts only" - the CADA is remote controlled with led lights near double the parts of the lego one for the same price.
Many of the newer manufacturers are 100% compatible and provide near double the part count for a similar set. Even if some of them are shameless rip-offs and illegal to have in some countries, most of them are smaller companies with great part quality, prints (no stickers) and innovative designs (see CaDA® C61503W AMG One).
There is also the world of Trains or Tractors, where LEGO tends to fail every time.
There are
- CaDa
- BlueBrixx
- Cobi
- fischertechnik
- Unico
- Mould King
- burgkidz
- Wange
- Sluban
- Q-Bricks
Just to provide you some alternatives :-)Firstly it feels a little sacrilegious, but religion aside quality is often uncomparable and there was this common meme from my childhood that your parents did not love you if you got knockoff LEGOs. Part of the reason why we buy LEGO is because it's LEGO. Buying some other brand (regardless of quality) does not hit the same way.
The video I linked shows the difference.
Alternative brands can VERY hit-or-miss, and when you miss, you can end up with some truly atrocious pieces. When I was a kid, Mega Bloks was the most common LEGO alternative (in the US, at least), and all of those pieces are terrible. The colors are washed out compared to LEGO, the plates aren't as rigid, and some of the bricks are a mess of scratches and dents.
Consistency is even a problem within individual sets. I also had a couple of LEGO-compatible sets that were made by Hasbro in the mid-2000s, and the part quality is excellent. The pieces have held up really well over the years, and Hasbro's yellow pieces are indistinguishable from LEGO's yellow. Hasbro came correct... except for their wheels, which are the sort of hideous dirt-cheap abomination that even Mega Bloks never stooped to.
Some brands are awful. Some brands are great. Some brands (like Hasbro) somehow managed to put "awful" and "great" inside the very same box. A brand's quality may change wildly over time. Some brands come out with their own extensions to the LEGO "standard," and then never provide a complete system of compatible parts. Sticking to name-brand LEGO offers a much more predictable experience.
I am not sure this is an accurate assessment. Lego has a reputation because it built that reputation over decades of solid and reliable delivery. Pseudo-Lego brands built a reputation of competing on price while trading off quality and reliability.
The real question is whether the price delta between Lego and pseudo-Lego can justify the quality delta. That's surely subjective up to a point.
Really? I'm not sure about that. I think LEGO built a reputation, because it was patented until 2008 and competitive products were not even a thing.
Mould King was founded 2012, also more than a decade ago.
> Pseudo-Lego brands built a reputation of competing on price while trading off quality and reliability.
This maybe true for chinese rip-offs, but the more modern approach is innovative, even with licensed models (see CADA MASTER Mercedes-AMG ONE 61503 or Mould King 12025 Orient Express). Features like LED lights, remote controls, remote controlled doors or REAL steam have not been approached by modern LEGO sets.
My experience with the 5 brands I tried has been horrendous: parts don't stick together, parts are too small, parts are incorrect.
There's also a bunch of the 'fake' stuff on AliExpress, where you can tell the quality of the bricks is crap just by looking at the low-res photos. Getting the fit of bricks right is apparently quite hard to do if you want to offer lower prices than Lego does.
I think LEGO has done a great marketing job here... never buy something that is not LEGO, it might be bad quality or scam.
You have to choose wisely, but if you've found the good stuff, you probably won't go back.
I don't think that was LEGO. I think that was just the off brands being pretty university awful and people caught on.
I'm going through a bucket of loose parts right now, separating the off brands from the LEGO. There are at least 6 different brands in there. The difference is almost always obvious.
And when it's not and the part sneaks its way into my main collection, I can instantly tell when I use it because it either doesn't fit, or fits incorrectly.
I definitely remembers seeing some Mega Bloks some 15-20 years ago and they were really really bad like you described but from what I can tell, other competitors have actually caught up to LEGO nowadays.
I have some recent limited experience with Chinese knock-offs like Lepin and Panlos, and they are bad in the ways I described.
Lego does a much better job of instruction books than the 'fake Lego' sets I've seen, though. Also, Lego has higher standards for the model designs themselves, whereas some of the 'fake Lego' model designs can be rather more fragile than anything Lego would release, which adds to the impression of poor brick fit/clutching (e.g. the Xingbao Xenomorph)
(Haven't seen any of the Technic clones, though. They're likely to suffer more from loose or poorly-fitting parts)
There are manufacturers that provide laboratory analysis of their bricks to prove the quality.
Those "other bricks" are quite useful when you want something that Lego won't produce. For example gimp figurine for your Pulp Fiction diorama.
I think that everyone can pick whatever liked. However, the term "fake LEGO" is a bit weird, because the other manufacturers also have well designed parts LEGO does not provide...
The quality in all terms is not better at all... they may be CAPABLE of better quality, but they don't provide it just to reduce costs. That's why they provide stickers instead of prints and holed out plastic parts instead of solit ones. It's cheaper in production. If you compare LEGO parts from 20 to 15 years ago and todays parts, you immediately notice the difference.
There ARE indeed manufacturers and brands that deliver bad quality, but if you pick the non-ripoff brands, the quality may even better.
Of course, the answer is never “no” so I think I probably am not very bargain conscious when it comes to LEGO. And I may have a problem.
But seriously, the cost is so worth it for me. As someone who has attention span challenges from time to time, LEGO puts me into a flow state like almost nothing else. I love a good 2-3 night session putting together a big set.
If you want a bit of an increased challenge, Gundam models tend to be a bit more difficult than Lego while still feeling stimulating and fun.
Money is not like time - if you don't spend money you get to keep it. If you don't spend time, you waste it. You can't do chores all the time so instead of just doing nothing why not doing something that makes you feel good just for the sake of it
Bricklink's "part out" tool is more accurate, but some pieces get priced "wrong" and you have to know enough to determine that.
On the other hand, Technic sets contain large numbers of pins, which are basically worthless.
I loved going to Valley Faire Mall in San Jose and scooping parts by the pound.
I didnt see any of the lego store by-the-pound model.
An interesting method for sus-ing up what parts they had would be looking into the shipments to-from lego entities in NL and USA - sea shipping bills of lading can be found on import yeti (now obviously unless someone has digitized historic bills of lading, etc (and we all know that ship hands (pirates) and long-shoremen (mob) have famously been the definition of corruption - so we can hardly ever trust any bill of lading...
So with that in mind though:
Lets look at the shipments of LEGO https://i.imgur.com/HgLlBuF.png
Nathan appears to be a top importer of Lego https://i.imgur.com/xYDvko5.png
Ships mostly a container a month to LA. https://i.imgur.com/7ZALaMi.png
LegoLand is his customer: https://i.imgur.com/I0oS1wu.png
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But I cant find out contents of shipment .... AH Check this out: https://i.imgur.com/7CjqVBW.png
So you can see that they are ~1,000 lbs per shipment... rounding up - then remove ~30% for weight of packaging and basically you have 750 pounds of plastic bricks - then apply part existance probability and you can see how much of each part is being imported and a costing idea...
We could probably map out all lego sets and shipments with some dilligence.
Should also look at the environmental impact of lego long term. its a LOT of plastic.
LEGO tends to get hoarded, resold or donated, not thrown away. I believe I have more than 99% of all the LEGO I or my parents ever bought, going back to 1976 or 7.
And I had so much given to me. But my life took me in a path that separated me from all my Lego. :-(
I doubt this. Outside Lego enthusiasts, most people see it as a children's toy which is probably disgustingly covered in saliva and in no fit state for anyone else to touch. It's one of the first things to go into the trash when more space is needed in the attic.
Given how expensive Legos are many people will gladly pick them up from your place, especially if you live in a city. You can look up Buy Nothing and similar groups in your area on FB.
Lego stashes do indeed get hoarded for a generation at a time; a lot of it is kept as valuable for the next generation (lucky bastards).