Honda and Nissan might team up against Tesla and other EV rivals
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I don't know if it's one of those sunlight = best disinfectant situations where the bloom has fallen off of Tesla's rose as time has gone on, or if it is the rush to gain market share has caused quality to decline, or the original reviews were just shills. However, I too refuse to contribute one cent to the increasing of that one individual's wealth because I find them to be a loathsome individual. Setting that aside, their decisions on being the champion of telematics, OTA updates/modifications without your approval, the increasing use of touch screen controls, and all of the other things that have all just added up to never wanting to own one of these cars. That negativity has not soured my desire for owning an EV, just not a Tesla
1. https://www.forbes.com/sites/stevebanker/2023/12/18/tesla-ha... 2. https://www.flyingpenguin.com/?p=35819
Link 2 is about deaths. Let's find the death rate per registered car years from the NHTSA's data.
For all 2020 vehicles it's 38 per million, for midsize luxury, 23, Tesla Model 3 2WD: 15, 4WD: 52
For large luxry: Model S 4WD 17, vs 22 average
https://www.iihs.org/ratings/driver-death-rates-by-make-and-...
Isn’t the controller area network an equivalent standard for interop? What’s keeping someone from offering a physical button that signals toggleLatch to the device providing glovebox services on the CAN bus?
While CAN is a standard, it's basically transport layer only. The automakers have all sorts of custom stuff on top of it that's wildly proprietary. Talk to a mechanic and they'll complain about how each car company requires them to buy their own special software suite for diagnosing issues.
This entire pursuit of disruption has become just a red flag to me. Are there industries that are desperate for an outside company to come along and change the status quo? Absolutely. However, the SV "disruptors" have soured my view altogether on their willing to just be a bull in the china shop looking to gain notice/investment, yet ultimately not actually providing a good service/product/etc.
Musk busts unions (like every other CEO), gropes women, is a bad ex-husband/father, and tweets right-wing mean tweets. OMG WORST PERSON EVER.
No I'm not giving him sole credit for Tesla/SpaceX/etc, no he is not god messiah of the earthworms.
The touchscreens are out of control, though, that is undeniable.
Tesla should have bought Nissan or some other failing mainline car company and rolled out EV tech with their traditional designs, but... that had to happen a decade ago. No point now.
The car Tesla produces is a piece of trash and is unsafe at any speed, and you will not make me like it by telling me "yeah but other cars are worse".
So in addition to misusing "whataboutism", you simply fell back to ad hominem. Finally, you were the one that went on the intertubes and espoused your view. I did not inject any new subject matter except to counterpoint your pretty myopic viewpoint.
I don't care if your feelings were hurt by simple argumentative debate, the point of my response isn't to attack you, but to offer a different viewpoint to anyone ELSE that reads this. You are correct, it is futile debating people like you.
Teslas have their problems, but they aren't trash. In particular if you look at GM's EV recalls, Porsche's issues with the Taycan, and various EV startups having major issues and scaling problems, Tesla did phenomenally well. The only other companies that did similarly were Chinese and Korean companies that are almost literally parts of their respective governments with unlimited budgets, and armies of near-slave labor in the case of the Chinese.
And it is debatable if any other EV company is actually producing EVs at a sustainable economic profit. Likely the Chinese have turned the corner in the last year or two. Everyone else is still using ICE sales to pour research into their EVs.
The vehicle market is the relevant metric, not the EV market. At this point they're the same market. Tesla is competing against all cars, not just other EV's.
iPhone has a 25% market share, yet everyone who wants (and can afford) an iPhone has one, i.e saturated. It means either innovation or price drops are required for further growth.
Right. But everyone who wants (and can afford) a Tesla has one. And that's about 4.2% of the total US market it seems. Sales growth has ceased entirely for them since 2022.
I'm pretty sure you're wrong. But feel free to provide numbers to prove you are right.
They are targeting low, mid range and even have a Ferrari/Porsche EV in the works.
I even think a $16K EV with 100 miles range would be hugely popular as a second vehicle for most families. Just don’t make it look ridiculous.
A “second vehicle” would really be the perfect niche for EV’s right now.
They had a hand in part of the downfall of former CEO Carlos Gnosh who while not innocent either crossed the line in how company funds were handled for his homes he maintained for travel between France and Japan.
I would not be surprised if they mutually dissolved the partnership.
To be fair, they are a technological leader in the EV industry. The Leaf was the first purpose built, mass produced EV released in the US, and they have over 15 years of R&D put into it, including their own battery tech. The hatred for Nissan over the past decade has come soley from it's association with FCA, which has no hand in the Japanese EV operations.
Sure, they just released the Ariya, but that just seems like yet another crossover to compete with Ioniq 5, Mach E, model Y, at a similar price point no less. If they have the technological lead, they’ve surely squandered it.