Boeing Whistleblower: "If Anything Happens to Me, It's Not Suicide"

Probably a dupe because I can't find this submission or the one you linked on any page of HN now.

edit: just found this one on page 6 now.

edit2: both are completely gone now off any page.

edit3: now it's claimed as a [dupe] and the active discussion is dead.

Wow.

Well, the cameras could go off for an hour and both guards could be asleep for the same hour.

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edit: on a meta note, why did this submission flash on the homepage, and now I can't find it?

edit2: I can't find the dupe submission either: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=39712618

edit3: I found this submission now on page 6, it was just on the first page and gaining comments and votes fast until just now.

edit4: both submissions are completely gone now off any page.

@dang?

How many murders are actually solved?

Well, he was definitely one of them.

Would YOU want to pursue and present evidence that Boeing just offed a guy for pursuing and presenting evidence?

What kind of "security" are we talking about? Hotel exterior cameras that are cloud controlled by (probably) a large commercial provider? Considering what is possible with hacking that, and that this is an enormously powerful company, I think it's entirely possible that a hit man could have been involved.

That said, I think suicide is the most likely cause, but we should avoid failures of imagination and consider the possibility.[0]

0. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Failure_of_imagination

It seems we hear fairly often about mercenary - as opposed to ideological - killings that are revealed to be such only long after the fact. It would seem gratuitous to assume that all such killings are eventually revealed.

For example, the U.S. and German governments have taken the position that the Russian federation conspired to have a Chechen leader killed in Berlin, Germany[1]. He was ultimately caught, and surveillance footage seems to have played a role, but if you look into the details of the case, it seems likely he was an experienced contract killer who could have gotten away with many other lower-profile killings.

1: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zelimkhan_Khangoshvili

A professional hit can cost as little as a few thousand dollars. The persons who do it for that kind of fee aren't the sharpest tools in the shed.

LOL, you are indeed, most murders go unsolved and a hit can cost as little as $10k. 99% it is a cartel member and if they do get caught worst case they get sent back to mexico.

A late message to potential future whistleblowers.

You think crazy Jennifer made this up for her 5 minutes of fame?

We don't know that all the laundry has been let out. It's also possible that there could be criminal charges against some of Boeing's leadership if this guy were to testify against them or if he had more info.

Boeing is presently in the middle of a coverup; they don't want anybody coming forward with information that Boeing management knew about the "opening a plug door" process shortcut.

Maybe there was more (unaired dirty laundry)

Let's break it down. He was about to under-go day 3 of whistleblower testimony. He had already given 2 days worth and they have found instances worth following up with criminal investigations. Guy's in a hotel (probably under his name) and is found in his car - shot to death in what appears to be a suicide. Then this, saying he stated that "If anything happens to me...", then Boeing "conveniently" overwriting the door bolt safety footage, etc has all the hallmarks of it being a hit. To protect Boeing from criminal investigation and costing the company potentially billions in fines and lost sales.

I'm in the camp that they did, in fact, hire someone or someone within their organization did to protect their interests in this case. Whether it's from corporate or from just the group of folks that might/would/will be indicted from the whistleblowers testimony. You don't land on 21-black 3 times in a row and say it's luck.

They were scheduled for an additional day of deposition. Apparently there was more "dirty laundry" to talk about.

Sends a pretty clear message to anyone else thinking of speaking up.

Sure he may have already aired out what Boeing was doing, but he was only talking about general actions. But given that DOJ is looking into a criminal investigation that means he can name names, and testify against individuals which would bubble up the chain since lower level management just follows upper management’s direction. Also there could have been key information unsurfaced that he may not even know the importance of that the legal team would have spotted.

I mean why would someone who has given up everything to blow the whistle and devoted the past 7 years trying to get something done about it all a sudden kill himself in the middle of a trail and before a potential DOJ criminal investigation?

The man had a mission, why would he do Boeing a favor and kill himself so that he could not testify at a criminal hearing?

Imagine this in a criminal trail he would testify against his direct managers who would then just say “hey, I was told by my boss to tell him to do x” and then it bubbles up the chain to the executives.

Why would someone under criminal investigation kill a key witness after they had talked but before they could testify?

Not only are the reasons fairly obvious, but the history of that being exactly what happens is pretty compelling evidence that, independently of arguments over its rationality, that is very much a thing people in that situation do.

There would be revolution in the streets tomorrow if the average person understood where money comes from and how it works. Once a group of people is wired into the free money pipeline they will do ANYTHING to make sure their supply is not cut off. The USA has been printing and giving away free money for 30+ years now. The recipients of those funds have proven again and again, they will and do commit heinous crimes to maintain their position.

1) The legislature - Law makers have been captured through campaign contributions. In MOST cases a law maker has no say in how they vote, they are told by their campaign managers.

2) The judicial - Similarly judges tend to run for their seat every 4 years. In family court any divorce attorney worth their salt is donating the maximum amount to every judge every time they run. Then when they are in front of the judge in court just a thumbs up and a nod is enough to remind the judge who REALLY got them elected.

3) Corporations are DONE paying taxes and have been for a long time. Successful corporations have figured out how to siphon money from not only their customers but their employees and the federal government as well.

4) The money supply and system in general is fucked beyond repair and anyone willing or able to point that out is going to be on the "kill list".

I don't think we have that many informations to label c-suite in Boeing as killers with such ease.

Those are serious allegations.

I would rather wait for an inquiry/coroner/etc to shed more light on what's happened.

Only if it's a major local employer

In much of modern America - 's/are afraid to/can be bothered, and have the resources to/'.

With all due respect, "no shit?"

There however is less reason to believe this was suicide given the circumstances.