Oh so in Russia its jumping out a window and in the USA its some random method of suicide?
Why not be specific, and consistent, like Russia?
Why not be specific, and consistent, like Russia?
In the Western World the secret services kill to silence people, not to broadcast messages to the public. Quite the opposite PR strategy.
Although that being said, I wouldn't rule this out as being organised by Boeing's management or a major shareholder or something. It is a company in the military-industrial complex.
Perhaps he is an object lesson that one should create a "switch escalator".
Perhaps a dead man's switch used in captivity could also potentially make captivity worse and remove what last remnants of hope he has. I suspect if he pulled the switch now then a lot of the sympathy he got for exposing a war crime might go out the window.
There are still lots of angry articles about how it will PUT LIVES AT RISK if it is unencrypted.
The powers that be appear to be walking a tightrope between not exposing their own assets and trying to make an example out of people who expose war crimes while trying not to put lives at risk.
If the US government pardoned him they’d be doing themselves a massive favor.
Because this time wasn't about silencing him (too late for that), but making an example. And for this, a blatant enough assassination would likely tarnish the image the US government wants to project too much. Going through the courts, making a show of "due process", now that's looking pretty good: "hey journalists, we can't kill you if you babble too much, but we can make you wish we did, and since it's all legal good luck about rousing public opinion about it".
Yep. I totally didn't get the "don't mess with big corps" message at all.
Maybe you'll find a few who will say, off the record, that of course it wasn't a suicide.
But those people aren't rare in the US either! Feds are just as "paranoid" as the rest of in these matters.
There are some high profile cases were the west (or the deep state) very clearly went "full Russian" on some figures to send a "don't mess with us" message.
David Kelly and Epstein come to mind. As also noted in this thread Assange is arguably being given a fate worse than death, rotting in a dungeon an example to terrify whistleblowers around the world.
Granted, it is only used much more sparingly than the KGB, but it is there.
It doesn’t seem surprising to me that there would be an affinity towards a particular method within entities.
Or a poisoning with a ludicrously rare poison, a strange car crash, a plane falling out the sky, dying at a gulag when you were fine a few days earlier etc etc.
It’s a very unsafe place when you don’t toe the line.
Very much like America, apparently.
The part where plenty of people express skepticism that theses death were really suspicious seems to be similar too.
No. America isn't in the habit of regularily murdering dissidents
The two are not equal.
If you go far enough back in time, sure.
Then again, if you go far enough back in time (not that long, truth be told), the US committed genocide against the Native Americans.
Russian ballistic missiles just hit residential area in Odessa, killing at least 16 and injuring 70. It was a double-tap attack. The second missile hit the same place 15 minutes later to kill first responders that had arrived: one paramedic and one firefighter died on the scene.
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/gaza-aid-convoy-deaths-al...
It’s within living memory.
However we have gone off track, as the other responses show.
If happening at all, political killings are not occurring in the US at anything like the rate that they occur in Russia.
This post exists because they are.
> It’s a very unsafe place when you don’t toe the line.
This one seems less like "it's a very unsafe place" and more like Prigozhin was trying to be killed. He went into open armed rebellion and negotiated a deal where he was exiled to Belarus. Then he went back to Russia, where he experienced a fatal plane crash. He would have to have been a total idiot not to see that coming.† What happened?
† My favorite story in this general vein is what happened with the Mitanni king Tushratta, whose brother the king was killed by a usurper when Tushratta was young. Tushratta inherited the throne, and the usurper, Tuhi, held power as regent until Tushratta came of age.
At which point Tushratta had Tuhi and his coconspirators executed. This was 3400 years ago, but somehow I suspect that even then this wouldn't have been hard to predict.
The confusing bit for me is why did it go on for so long? It’s one thing to kill him, but seemingly letting him back into Putin’s circle before killing him is surprising. I hope to hear the story one day.
Drowning related however, the most known is this one (even got a wiki page, so it's really well known!) en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Boulin
But Choukri Ghanem also managed to drown himself in Vienna.
A related death was Albichari, a 37 yo dying of diabetes, and 6 years later, Bechir Saleh assassination attempt by a commando (with his bodyguard crew saving him), so the DGSE clearly have multiple ways of doing business.
If you agree is that it's not a suicide, opinions differ on whether it's government team that did it or the "SAC", a paramilitary group linked to the then ruling party, not an official secret service
But i've read that recently "https://www.amazon.fr/tueurs-R%C3%A9publique-Assassinats-op%..." and now i have to jump in when people talk about political assassination, even though i know almost nothing about the subject, and everything i know is so thin it should be disregarded anyway. As the memory fade, i will stop doing that. Sorry :/
Now I’m imagining a show set in Greenwich, Connecticut, where a gentle white-haired family man trades options during the day and manages assassinations after the kids go to bed. “The Americans” meets “The Big Short”?
I was one of the first on the scene. The passenger window of his car was shattered, all of the glass on the inside of the car. No blood on the glass. The car was still in drive and had driven itself off the road. A gun was found on the floor under the seat, a gun that was unknown to family members.
Ruled a suicide and multiple attempts to open an investigation all the way up to the federal level were ignored, and his son received numerous, documented death threats warning him to stop perusing an investigation.
The USA is just another banana republic, only with a higher price of admission to the table.
I think most people know that these kind of “suicides” or “accidental falls” from hotel balconies are not suicides, yet we all know we are powerless to root out this level of imbedded corruption.
What most people fail to understand is that it isn’t so much the work of corrupt politicians or shadowy crime bosses, but more often is rooted in the C-Suite. Since criminal and sociopathic characteristics are often rewarded at the executive level , it should be no surprise that crime and corporate governance are frequently intermingled.
Man in Sioux Falls, South Dakota shoots himself in penis and tries to blame black guy:
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/man-shoots...
‘We failed the city of Boston’: how a racist manhunt led to chaos in 1989:
https://www.theguardian.com/tv-and-radio/2023/dec/07/we-fail...
Blake Masters blames Black people for gun violence. But remember, he's no racist:
https://eu.azcentral.com/story/opinion/op-ed/laurieroberts/2...