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OpenAI's CTO knows exactly what data was used to train Sora. She is just not going to say it publicly in front of a reporter because she knows that lawyers from every large content owner and content host are listening to every word, ready to pounce.

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Data provenance is a term used in medicine[1] and seems like a rather straightforward way to handle this. However, I would consider that they paid for this data and the source has a non disclosure in place.

[1] https://www.nnlm.gov/guides/data-glossary/data-provenance

This is not medicine, this is copyright law. Copyright law is already well established.

That it is, which means you should already know that fair use is more complex than simply "was it transformative" and that fair use is enforced on a case by case basis. We sure are learning a lot about the law these days!

I think a part of what OpenAI used to poach scientists was that they had less such checks and rules than Google. When I worked at Google they started to add a ton of extra such checks on all the data and the data scientists were really unhappy about that, they wanted to train on whatever they want without any concern over legal issues, I can see OpenAI successfully poaching a lot of people just by saying there they can do legally questionable things.

Yeah I agree, data scientists are some of the most naive or immoral people I've worked with. It's unfortunate that the occupation has built a culture of not giving a shit about privacy, security, etc.

They likely trained on the entire Internet. It's an almost impossible problem.

Three rules of crisis communication for your spokesperson:

- They say what they know

- They don't say what you don't know

- Let them know only what you want them to say

There's some outrage towards her for these answers, but we can understand where they come from. But perhaps she learned to avoid tough questions earlier in life.

Because, you see it is absolute absolutely mind boggling to understand how a 16 y.o. Ermira girl from the third-largest city (very small actually) in a country where mafia and government was melted together at that time (and still pretty much is), so... how this girl won a scholarship of unspecified origin (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mira_Murati) which took her straight to USA, and later on landed her in a private and very expensive Ivy League university. You see, there are at least dozen people in my extended pool of contacts from that time, from this region, who have been at IoI, or IoM at the time, and won prestigious first places, and won scholarships of some sorts, and none was THAT lucky.

Of course, this may sound like a girls dream come true, but if you have even a limited insight how the Balkans operate, and particularly how Albania operated 20 years ago... And together with the fact that the present Albanian prime minister suddenly is very close to nowadays Mira, so much as to embraced OpenAI for legislation-something (https://www.euractiv.com/section/politics/news/albania-to-sp...).

Sorry, perhaps my imagination, but this really raises a brow.

What are you actually implying here?

It sounds to me like some sort of grand conspiracy to somehow plant connected Albanians in hard-to-get-to places.

As an Albanian-American (see my last name), it's true. We're a part of many, grand conspiracies.

It's better to be clear with your allegations. You can't just paint someone bad because they were born in a corrupt country and had to play the game before departing for greener pastures. Let's be frank...Murati would hardly have done much in Albania anyway.

From Wikipedia (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mira_Murati) - Throughout her school years, she participated in many Olympiads and math competitions. That was likely how she got a foreign scholarship.

As i noted - I personally know dozens of not more OIO and OIM finalists and none was that lucky. And of course - she would’ve ended as a university teacher at best had she stayed in Albania.

But once again - the timeframe is very very important.

> none was THAT lucky

I understand that we humans have natural instincts to uncover plots because as a social animal we have been primed to develop such a skill.

We have also been primed to recognize faces but that can lead us to see them even when there are no faces (e.g. the sphinx on Mars).

We're very bad at intuitively grasping low probability events and large numbers.

I personally know lots of people who have played the lottery but I never met somebody who was THAT lucky to win a jackpot.

Yet those people exist. We understand how the lottery works. It happens regularly enough and transparently enough so it no longer tickles our "corruption/plot/conspiracy" instincts. But if lotteries were never invented and we had one run today and somebody won, I'm pretty sure the default assumption for most people would be to be suspicious about who that person was, why they won, was it a setup etc etc

Unless you have a specific allegation please refrain from insinuating wrong doing just because she came from a corrupted country and was successful.

interesting speculation. I was also very impressed to see her as CTO and I was thinking "my god she must be very smart, good at expressing ideas etc." because she's the CTO, so I was excited to see interviews of her. But I thought the interviews were horrible and I was wondering how she ended up in that position. Still possible that she's just bad in interviews though

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