What to do if your car is submerged in water
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Try to stay calm, unbuckle your seat belt and roll your window down. Exiting through the open window is preferred above anything else. If there are children in the car, get them out first.
What if I can’t open the window?
The situation gets much more complicated.
Laminated glass, which has specific safety qualities to protect people from being ejected during a crash, is nearly impossible to break underwater, AAA found after testing various tools.
So thats that
If you freeze and hesitate then you're past the point of being able to just open the door unless you calmly wait until the interior has filled with water and then you can again. But at that point you're likely panicking
> A third of 2018 model-year vehicles have laminated glass in their side windows, AAA says
I'd guess it's increased more now.
The technique with laminated glass is basically to make a line of cracks/deformations to allow you to deform the entire panel and pop it out, not to make a hole to go through. Pretty hard to do with a carbide punch, but probably your best bet. Then use legs or body to push the entire window out.
Also, the smaller/accessory windows are often NOT laminated (esp on Tesla), so hitting one of those to let water in and then equalize pressure to GTFO is an option.
I don't advocate for off-body carry in general, but I'd expect it to be far more likely than you might think for there to be a handgun available to someone in a car.
... and yes, as the GP mentioned, firing it in that closed space would suck. It's going to take multiple rounds to weaken safety glass enough to get through it, and it's going to be loud. As a heuristic, I'd say you should assume that if you have to do that, you're trading your hearing for the rest of your life.
Firing a handgun inside a vehicle, even with both ear plugs and electronic muffs, is enough to make your ears ring.
The modern thinking on this is that you should carry it on your person at all times or leave it at home (e.g. if you're going to a place you can't carry it). Additionally, frequent "administrative handling" of your gun (like unholstering it in your car and re-holstering it when you get out) needlessly increases your chances of a negligent discharge, so moving it off of your body when you get in your car is also discouraged.
Of course this doesn't mean that everyone knows/thinks this way (and many don't), but from my discussions with other firearm advocates, this is the modern school of thought.
So—to answer your question—a Glock 19, and yes, as it's on me already ;-)
I also worked for ~6y in Iraq/Afghanistan but we never shot through glass in our own vehicles, did shoot rifles from open doors etc. on ranges but the times I was in trucks which were actually shooting "in anger" I was a passenger in the back in armored vehicle and the guy up top did all the work (and almost always it was warning shots, and most often frozen water bottles thrown at cars first to dissuade them)
(Basic firearms training is great, and the vehicle stuff is fun, but TBH the medical parts of these classes are far more useful; I wish more people would take trauma management classes. Outside of war zones, easy to go entire life without any "security" problems, but lots of car accidents, tool accidents, etc. where knwoing this stuff can save someone.)
Why? Tabs at the top of their page:
* Latest World Business U.S. Politics Economy Tech Finance Opinion Arts & Culture Lifestyle Real Estate Personal Finance Health Style Sports
Under "Business" they have:
* Airlines Autos C-Suite Deals Earnings Energy & Oil Entrepreneurship Telecom Retail Hospitality Logistics Media
Per the URL, this is Business > Auto.
Why thank you, but I’ll just keep taking the Hoboken–33rd subway
Historically speaking, side and rear windows were made from tempered glass that would explode into many small, not-so-sharp fragments when damaged. Laminated glass does not do this; it breaks, but the inner layer(s) between the glass layers holds the window together. If you want to get through a car windshield, this is why you end up needing a saw rather than a hammer.
Due to new regulation that aims to reduce the number of drivers ejected from vehicles during crashes, some manufacturers have been switching to use laminated glass for side and rear windows.
This may be entirely rational if the number of casualties avoided in those cases exceeds the number of cases where escape is hindered (which is almost certainly the case as being ejected from the vehicle is very strongly correlated with serious injury or death, and drowning deaths represent basically half of one percent of deaths in road traffic accidents), but many people don't like to hear about good risk tradeoffs and want impossible global improvements.
I'm surprised that getting ejected from the side or rear window is common enough to warrant such a change. There seems to be a lot of downsides - any emergency where a person (or pet) needs to be freed from a locked car quickly comes to mind.
I actually assumed that the laminated glass in the Tesla story was a security feature.
For a long time, it was my go-to rebuttal for the idiots who claimed that they'd rather be "thrown clear" in an accident: "I knew someone who was thrown clear. Then the car flipped over on top of him."
A substantial number of people still are not wearing seatbelts? For those of us who are wearing seatbelts the risk of ending up in a pond or canal is immeasurably higher than the risk of ejection.
And, yes, a substantial number of people are still not wearing seatbelts.
See 'window breaker', 'car escape tool' etc. on Amazon for example.
If the window opening mechanism is still working, better to let the driver & passengers make the decision on whether or not to open them and when. If the mechanism isn't working, then the question is moot.
The odds of (1) car driving into water * (2) person is incapacitated * (3) rescue is available and can access the car but can't open window have to be so low as to essentially never happen.
The woman who died in the Tesla must have had a horrific death, that shit is utterly terrifying.
The problem with the hammer style is you might be injured or pinned in a position where you can't develop much force. Also hit the corner of the window, NOT the center; I've bounced a sledgehammer in class off the center of regular window glass, it's amazing.
Here you go...
I live in Minnesota, the so-called "Land of 10,000 Lakes" (it's actually closer to 12,000). The only time I hear of cars going into a lake is when someone drives onto thin ice.