Brits left baffled by Brexit's 'not for EU' food labels
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It looked like this (except with a bit different numbers): https://twitter.com/jonworth/status/1463961078593896450
I guess this is yet another great Brexit victory.
I mean, it would feel weird to measure flow of a material medium in Watts, but still...
That, and now every widget I buy has the UKCA lable on it alongside the CE mark.
I don't think they are just yet, but I also assume that that is where this will all head.
> Shoppers can rest assured, however, that the labels do not denote a reduction in standards. Aside from some divergence on pesticides, British food standards so far remain largely unchanged since Brexit.
/edit: apparently I stand corrected.
The eu regulations no longer apply to food companies operating in the UK, as the UK no longer is in eu-jurisdiction.
The uk govt would have to re-implement them one by one, which a) would be a considerable effort and b) defeats the point of brexit, and thus likely come at political costs.
/edit: thanks for the responses, TIL.
You have it backwards. They have to de-implement them in order to get rid of them. The EU doesn't have federal laws in the way that the US does, each law is independently implemented in each member state.
This is better than the alternative, which would basically not having any national standards until they developed their own, but you are right that it basically means brexit has mostly increased the amount of paperwork and friction in trading but not actually produced material benefits for most industries in the UK. And in general it makes sense to follow the EU for most standards anyway: if you diverge too much you risk people just not bothering to sell in your country anyway. There's already stupid headaches like this: for EMC certification, if you need a lab to do some tests to sell in the UK and the EU, you currently need to get a lab in the UK and a lab in the EU to perform the exact same tests to the exact same standards. This means a lot of EU companies are just not bothering to certify their products for the UK market (customers will often just import them illegally).
Complicating the issue is Northern Ireland which effectively falls under the jurisdiction of both. If British products need to be sold there, they need to be distinguishable somehow from the versions that are allowed to leave Northern Ireland into the rest of the EU.
That combination of shared jurisdiction and lack of trade infrastructure is how you get these labels. Its the laziest solution to a self-imposed problem.
It doesn't matter. When people see "not for EU" in a label, what they understand is "not for EU because it doesn't meet the EU requirements", which implies that the EU has higher requirements which aren't being met by that product. And a further implication (understandable since brexit means "we don't have to follow the EU requirements anymore") is that the EU requirements haven't changed, but the UK requirements have, and the product only follows these new lower requirements.
The vast majority of the world falls in this category.
The subtext to a lot of these comments seem to be "if you want food standards, you shouldnt have left" as if the choices are mutually exclusive.
UK halts trade negotiations with Canada over hormones in beef ban.
Canada has been pushing for the UK to relax a ban on hormone-treated beef, which its producers say in effect shuts them out of the British market.
https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-68098177I bet UK has a good hold on domestic animal husbandry given the history and geography.
Not sure exactly what a "little Englander" is (I presume some political faction); but whenever someone throws in a contemptuous dig like that, I feel a little schadenfreude, like their unhappiness is deserved.
I don't live in the UK, but it seems like this might be similar to how the new populist/Trumpist Republicans are still called "Republicans" even though they don't support a lot of things that previously were associated with Republicans (foreign intervention, state & local rights, etc.).
Mostly used by flag accounts on twitter to dismiss the political right, the working class, home owners...
Any one they don't like that day really....
Expanding on others' answers, it's the sort of thing uttered by the sort of people who do this sort of thing: <https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-30148768>
In general I feel a lot of the discourse around what people who supported brexit believe or are like (or indeed, what all british people are like) is entirely divorced from my experience living in the country. I don't know what to do but be saddened by people delighting in widening rifts between people
I wish everyone could have critical thinking & reasoning skills, but since that isn't the world we live in, highlighting the after effects of decisions like this feels like the responsible thing to do for the next time a hugely consequential bill is introduced. We don't need to mock the people affected, but pointing out the completely foreseeable outcomes as they're happening is still important.
But that's exactly my point, you're seeing this as a person having made a foolish decision, and now suffering for it.
But there is no such person mentioned in the article. It's an entirely imagined hypocrite.
I imagine all of the people upset that they no longer have EU food standards voted to keep the EU food standards...
The people mentioned in the article are from london and are eating "Ardennes-style pâté". They are not, as a class, people who voted for brexit. In the article, one of them complains about the nationalistic fervour of others that led them to this point.
I don't imagine there are any brexit voters out there who feel anything other than pleased about the appearance of "not for EU" labels. They probably feel it supports long-suffering local farmers, and will serve to stimulate the production of things in the UK as opposed to importing it from eastern/southern Europe. Whether they are right or not is entirely immaterial to my point, which is that people who know very little about matters persist in feeling superior over people they don't understand the motivations of
Sounds to me like you’re also imagining what hypothetical Brexit voters would be thinking.
Brits should either suffer for the illiberal hubris, or are noble for defying tyranny.
Few of the terminally online take the position that it is simply a British issue to determine what they want, and wish them the best in sorting it out.
I don't know if it's true of other nationalities, but Americans definitely project their domestic politics onto foreign conflicts and controversies that they know nothing about, and then very strongly take sides (e.g. viewing Israel/Palestine as something close to American racial politics with funny accents).
I think it's because they're basically "casting" some foreign faction into a domestic political role. The Remain faction are the "Democrats" of Brexit, the Russians are the "MAGA Republicans" of the Ukraine war, the Israelis are the "white people" of the Israel/Palestine conflict, etc.
There is lasting resentment over Brexit (in the US), but nobody cared about Croatian ascension. Ukraine is a US political battleground, but the loss of Crimea was greeted with indifference.
I think there must be something about the political and cultural moments that cause these issues to gain traction over other topics, or none at all.
> There is lasting resentment over Brexit (in the US), but nobody cared about Croatian ascension.
One factor (of many) is language: I'd imagine any domestic happening in an English-speaking country will loom much larger in the minds of of Americans than anything happening in a non-English-speaking one.
I'd also image that leads to a lot more convergence. So a US Democrat would in fact have more alignment with a UK Labor party supporter that a lot of other foreign factions.
> Ukraine is a US political battleground, but the loss of Crimea was greeted with indifference.
I recall Russia's 2014 actions in Ukraine as being confusing (little green men) and being accepted with a whimper. Russia's 2022 actions had high drama: unprovoked invasion, columns of tanks, videos of fighting, big losses followed by big gains, etc.
But to your point about "political and cultural moments," that's definitely at play too. The Russian attempts at election interference and the Trump presidency made Russia into an enemy in the minds of liberals, and sometimes I feel like they feel the Ukraine war is almost a front in the anti-Trump "resistance."
One other interesting example is Falun Gong. Before Trump, my impression was that Americans were generally sympathetic. But once Trump started taking a more antagonistic stance against China, and Falun Gong then aligned with him because of that, I noticed Liberals echoing CCP talking points about Falun Gong pretty frequently.
EDIT: or a "This is a LOCAL shop, for LOCALS only"
Quite a lot of people spoke of both of these, loudly, between the vote and the implementation. Their concerns were not only ignored, they were derided for bring it up.
"It's in my luggage" isn't allowed any more, and many reporters conflate (in all kinds of ways) what you can do as a private individual with what is possible for export businesses: https://europa.eu/youreurope/citizens/travel/carry/meat-dair...
Because there's limited border checks, it's to stop non EU standard food being exported to Northern Ireland, and then on to the EU.
In Northern Ireland, names and symbols matter. It's smart to avoid "UK" being prominently displayed where possible.
..so far. One of the oft repeated reasons for leaving the EU is that "we no longer have to follow 'their' guidelines." There is nothing stopping the UK government from diluting food standards.
(I hope people get that this is a joke)
These are the demographics that did not want brexit
1) Educated
2) Young
3) Living in Northern Ireland
4) High income
However about 1 in 4 people alive in the UK in 2016 voted to strip the citzenship from 67 million people and enact trade barriers with the major economy on the doorstep, so thats what we have.
Then perhaps Tim Lang, professor emeritus should have raised this "stupid" move some years ago, when it was announced.
https://theconversation.com/how-brexit-threatens-britains-fo...
https://foodresearch.org.uk/publications/food-and-brexit/
https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2020/mar/22/tim-lang...
https://sussex.figshare.com/articles/report/A_food_Brexit_ti...
Have you done any basic research or even bare-minimum Googling before making a comment?