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Opinion: The actual hidden truth about UFOs

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> But, in fact, Kirkpatrick says, his investigation found that most UFO sightings are of advanced technology that the US government needs to keep secret, of aircraft that rival nations are using to spy on the US or of benign civilian drones and balloons.

That covers a lot, but the wording makes it sound like all those things are of similar proportions per sighting, in reality I'm fairly sure mundane things (like drones and balloons, but also Starlink satellites) are far more commonly the case than anything as exciting as top-secret or spy aircraft.

Journalism should take nutjobs more seriously. Conspiracy theories are now near mainstream and politicized. But NYT and other centers of quality journalism decided to treat them as entertaining filling for lazy news week. They were not untruthful. They just opted to do lots of reporting, very little investigation.

Asking basic questions like "What is your military rank?", instead of accepting "former military intelligence officer" would have exposed how small potatoes Luis Elizondo was and how impossible it was for him to lead any task force in Pentagon. He was there as a hang-around without responsibilities because Senator Reid insisted.

Hacker News UFO investigators: What is Luis Elizondo's military rank? The truth is out there.

Was he enlisted, non-comissioned or junior comissioned? Was he disenrolled from ROTC or did he graduate? Find a source that is not based on what he claimed.

David Grusch and his testimony to Congress along with the other military pilots is really what kick started this whole thing

Before Grusch were the pentagon videos. December 16, 2017 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pentagon_UFO_videos

Videos were released, targeting data never was. And now we're having a massive news cycle about this report, and about the people testifying to congress, and lots of attention on this person or that persons reputation. You can't buzz around a carrier battle group for 3 days without someone getting a lot of data on your aerodynamic performance.

But for decades now, all that radar, targeting and high resolution surveillance data has been tightly controlled, and will be missing from this report just like it was from every other report.

David Grusch's claims are even more far out, but they are connected to Robert Bigelow and others. Benito Mussolini and alien bodies, the Vatican and the Five Eyes

It's really sad. I have lots of sympathy for Grusch. He has been twice committed to involuntary psychiatric treatment. All these ufo-nuts are not really good for him.

Its unsurprising that its all likely human origin, particularly the testing of advanced aircraft the military is developing.

The double sided coin is these are the kinds of articles that UFO folks expect to see: rational arguments against their own that paint them as "true believers".

While I personally do not believe the US government, or any government entity, is holding onto any advanced extra-terrestrial secrets of any nature, largely due to how poorly secrets can be kept, especially over time, things always find their way out one way or another.

I do think the government didn't do itself any favors on messaging that fuels so much of the conspiracy thinking around it in the US.

I will say, I wish we spent more money on probing space for extraterrestrial civilizations. It would be a massive game changer, and I'm personally okay with the inherent risks.

I suspect that at least some of the messaging is deliberate. Some aircraft are supposed to be secret. Aside from UFOs, what other cover story is there? It's the only thing they have to try to reduce or obscure information about aircraft that occasionally are observed when they aren't supposed to be public knowledge.

I just want to say I greatly enjoy the misunderstanding of how propoganda and misinformation works in the age of mass media.

The argument of "the government couldn't keep a secret for 80 years" as proof of why Grusch's claims can't be true is illustrative.

Because they didn't, things have been leaking since the 1950s, but all that has to happen is convincing people theres disagreement or multiple stories and people stop being able to tell which is true. Which is exactly what the AARO report is.

I recommend finding the 1970ish Australian intelligence analysis that the US government is lying based on among other things, the US governments funding of 1950s gravitational research and its subsequent classification.

If anyone in the government tells there are aliens, I won’t believe them. If anyone in the government tells me there aren’t aliens, I won’t believe them.

This just tells me that their information/disinformation campaign over the last 80+ years has been hugely successful.

If they are behind such conspiracy, CIA can not be trusted and should be dissolved!!!

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