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This week, @xAI will open source Grok

It's like that glorious week in 2018 when we got full self driving.

You can get FSD today. Thousands of people use it every day https://www.teslarati.com/tesla-fsd-beta-program-half-a-bill...

Full self driving is a misleading name, Level 2 is not Level 5, Tesla is overpromising a solution, and I wouldn't consider something in "beta" that is safety critical to be considered shipping as GA.

It's still a huge success.

If it’s wildly overdue and only a fraction of what was promised, it’s a significant failure as a product.

It might be a great achievement if it hadn’t been hyped up well beyond what has been released

Whenever I see what it can do on some peoples YouTube, it's impressive as f.

And the backend structure with their AI model as well.

I'm not talking about marketing shit

Successful in being irresponsible and marketing 'Level 5' as 'Full Self Driving' while not actually being a Level 5 autonomous vehicle with mounting complaints about safety.

https://www.theverge.com/2023/5/25/23737972/tesla-whistleblo...

Its name, doesn't tell me how good it is. until I can buy a Tesla, give it a Lyft account, and have it go make me money driving for Lyft, it's not worth much to me.

That version will be released by the end of the year (2019).

This.

Instead what you have is Fool Self Driving as Tesla knows that it isn't fully autonomous yet, but still market it as such.

Intentionally misleading and irresponsible.

There's an old saying in Tennessee — I know it's in Texas, probably in Tennessee — that says, fool me once, shame on — shame on you. Fool me — you can't get fooled again.

George W. Bush

I think this is simply a confusion over the meaning of words.

You can indeed buy Full Self Driving™ (FSD), but even then your Tesla is not capable of self driving, fully (eg, there are many scenarios where a human is still required)

People take "Full" as meaning L5, but Tesla uses "full" as in ODD (Operational Design Domain). It can go anywhere, city streets, highways, parking lots, unmarked roads. In that sense it is indeed "full". This is clear when you look at the history of Tesla autonomy products, first there was Autopilot, which is only for highways. Then they release Full Self Driving Beta, which includes every type of driving.

Reminds me of https://motherfrunker.ca/fsd/

I think I reflexively agree, but I will try to suspend my opinion until it is actually released.

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