Just 2 cans of soda per week is too much – even if you exercise
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https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S00029...
Sugar is absolutely fine in moderation. Everything in moderation including moderation itself
* https://www.coca-cola.com/us/en/brands/coca-cola/products/or...
Daily recommended maximum sugar intake is 36g (9 teaspoons) for men and 25g (6 teaspoons) for women:
* https://www.heart.org/en/healthy-living/healthy-eating/eat-s...
I'm inclined to beleive they're better in some ways (as there's no sugar), but I'm sure there's negatives
https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S00029...
(I'm just going on Googling here, not an expert)
From reading that link, I think it works like this:
A hazard ratio of 1.0 means "no hazard, or no difference from the control".
A hazard ratio of 1.21 means "21% more hazardous than the control"
For example if I was choosing between an activity that killed 100 out of 400 people that did it and one that killed 121 out of 400 I'd pick the first. Picking the second would raise my death probability from 25% to 30.25%. That's over a 5% increase in my death probability.
On the other hand if I was choosing between something that killed 100 out of 100 million and something that killed 121 out of 100 million, I'd probably not really consider the differences in death probabilities. For the first I've got a death probability of 0.0001% and for the second I've got a death probability of 0.000121%. My death probability is only 0.000021% higher in the second activity.
In both cases the hazard ratio is 1.21, but with the second pair of events the probability of encountering the hazard is so low a 21% increase doesn't actually make enough of a difference for me to worry about it.
In the studies there were 170k participants with 13k disease cases during observed period, so looks like hazard rate was significant enough.
https://www.health.harvard.edu/staying-healthy/does-carbonat...
I know I eat a lot more with (diet) soda. Somehow makes my stomach fit more :)
And I would like to know what the pharmacists actually found.
Sugar- or artificially-sweetened beverage consumption, physical activity, and risk of cardiovascular disease in US adults
(Not to boast with my healthy diet: I eat chocolate and cookies far over any recommendation.)
There really is just something about that pizza and soda combination, though- pizza's still great but not quite the same without it for me.
That said, the "how it makes my teeth feel" comment from GP was ABSOLUTELY one of the first things I noticed after detoxing. Yuck.
Saw the same happening with someone turning 25, super thin athletic body into gut over the course of 2 years, diet was the same for 5 years.
What about starch and other carbohydrates, like rice, pasta and bread? Inside the body they are converted to glucose. So does that mean that eating two-can-soda-equivalent amount of bread shows the same harmful effects?
This doesn't make sense.
EDIT: living in Netherlands.
The physical structure of the item has an enormous impact on how healthy it is, and the rate of absorption is one of the most important factors for sugar related issues. One big shot of sugar all at once is hugely unhealthy, but when released over time (such as when eating a whole unprocessed fruit) isn’t detrimental at all.
OK, but the glycemic index of cola is 60, which is roughly identical to fruits like kiwi, banana, mango and watermelon.
EDIT: love the downvoting for literally providing a factual response here, people.
As is pointed out elsewhere, what the study actually seems to point out is that the diets of people who drink soda twice a week are likely to be worse-overall than those who eat two mangos a week.
How do they differ?
What's the source of that claim? America's most popular pasta brand is Barilla (also probably Italy's most popular brand), and that's made with exactly the same ingredients, process and machinery in the US as it is in Italy.
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A: I think X. B: Interesting, why do you think that? A: I have 10 years of thinking about it. B: I have 10 years of thinking about it and have the opposite opinion. A: If you're suggesting I'm not telling the truth then it's not possible for us to have a good faith discussion on this topic.
I might've made a fallacy, but this is what popped to mind when I read this comment.
Two slices of Wonder Bread contain 5g of added sugar. https://images.app.goo.gl/qLE4rqLjfUDwd3ew8
I think some of this ends up being the basis of something like the raw food diet, or the way The Rock has said he eats, which is to never eat anything he actually likes except on cheat days. Enjoyable and cooked foods aren't bad, but if you otherwise can't control yourself, one way to do it is only eat stuff you either don't like or is hard to eat. Even that is largely conflating looking like a model with "health" when they aren't the same thing. When The Rock was a pro wrestler and not an actor, he was noticeably fatter but not to the point that I think it was making any difference in terms of health rather than in terms of his ability to land lead roles in action movies that want you to look like a bodybuilder.
The major factor is how fast carbs are induced into blood stream. Bread has some fiber and also carbs are more complex, which makes process slower.
Also surprisingly for me, pasta had a relatively low impact on my blood sugar.
It depends on methodology how you calculate it. For example this article says that per some methodology cola GI can be 91: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1989668/
Also, I think GI is weight normalized, so you compare 250g of cola with 40g of carbs to 250g of white bread with 120g of carbs.
I think "don't drink soda every day" is about as likely to be good advice for everyone as any diet advice a person gets, but as I ranted about in a very long comment yesterday, this is an inherent limitation of nutrition science. Even what is probably the actual study here that someone linked to says in its conclusion that what they found "supports current recommendations to limit the intake of SSBs even for physically active individuals." They make no claim that they found a concrete causal link and for sure soda will hurt you if it's your only vice.
In other words, "don't eat the kind of diet that people who drink two or more cans of soda per week tend to eat"?
If the message here is supposed to be “if you eat sensible portions of healthy foods and lots of vegetables but you also drink two Dr Peppers a week then you’re going to have measurably worse health outcomes” then I sure want to understand that.
Also how those carbohydrates eventually become glucose might matter too. Starch gets broken down into glucose in the mouth, stomach and intestines(with varying speed based on structure). Fructose and sucrose(which is made of fructose and glucose) can't be used directly by the body like glucose. Sucrose gets split into glucose and fructose in the intestines. Fructose gets digested in the liver. Some hypothesize that excess fructose metabolization can cause long term issues.
And the glycemic index is just one averaged measurement. Soda probably benefits from its high water content on that metric. Satiety and nutrition play a role. Soda provides no other nutrients and doesn't do much for hunger long term. A person will need to consume something more, which means more overall calories. While there may be better choices, at least rice and bread provide something with the glycemic response.
- 2 cans a week is the amount it will start to be harmful. Effect size is proportional to the extra consumption.
- It's a correlation detected over a large, but very homogenous population. There is space for all kinds of spurious results. That's reason to look for other studies, not to simply dismiss this one.
- What it actually finds is that exercise benefits do not interfere at all with harm from excessive sugar. You can have either combination of them.
- Non-sugared beverages effects (if any) were indistinguishable from noise. (IMO, that one is very surprising.)