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I think you should reevaluate the price target…

I don’t think it’s that… cool to try to pressure people to give their work away. Nobody is forcing anyone to buy. Pressuring for free or nearly-free gets you garbage like what we have today for mobile games, search, social media, etc.

GP doesn’t necessarily mean lower, I could see $15 being a fair price for this.

everyone assuming I mean cheaper...

Clarity is always welcome and appreciated in such comments. Others on the thread did specifically mean cheaper, though.

It doesn’t look Apple Vision optimized, but this barebones app is free while also running local LLMs on VisionOS, iOS, and iPadOS: https://apps.apple.com/us/app/mlc-chat/id6448482937 I’ve messed with it mostly out of curiosity to see how fast Apple silicon can run inference on mobile.

to be higher or lower?

When it comes to the $3k novelty face computer you can likely get away with higher, at least until someone else does it too

No… not for an app focused on TinyLlama, which I haven’t been able to find a single use case for that an end user would care about. It’s essentially a toy, or optimistically a useful tool for LLM research at very small sizes.

Someone is developing an app call cnvrs, which I’ve been using through TestFlight, and it supports TinyLlama and many other models, currently for free. MLCChat is another free app that focuses on Mistral-7B, and that one is in the App Store for sure.

Neither is Vision Pro specific… but as someone who actually owns a Vision Pro, I’d rather have an iPad app with useful models than pay for a Vision Pro app with TinyLlama. And I also say this as someone who tried multiple checkpoints of TinyLlama as it was developed, and followed it closely. It was an awesome research project!

I'm also working on this, but with OpenAI BYOK in addition to local LLM via Llama.cpp: https://ChatOnMac.com for iOS/macOS and hopefully visionOS soon.

The entitlement of iOS, iPad and seemingly Vision Pro ecosystems is bizarre. Must be something about how the systems are designed that has devalued applications in the eyes of the users.

Mac and Windows ecosystems you'd have no issue even charging up to $7 a month for a AI frontend.

Now it's “entitlement” to say that I don’t want to pay for access to a language model that is completely useless in a chat format like this (a model that I have plenty of experience with), when I already have access to more useful models through other apps? Wow.

Your comment sets the bar for entitlement really low. So, surely you spend all of your money buying things that you know are useless out of some obligation to not seem entitled? You can see how ridiculous that sounds, so the most charitable interpretation of your comment is that you didn’t actually read my comment before responding.

The feedback I provided was a lot more useful than trying to guilt trip someone into spending money on something they know they won’t get any value out of. If the author switches to a better language model, it will make their app far more attractive to potential buyers, and they can do this, as shown by the existence of other apps that already have. We are fortunate that TinyLlama is not the best model available.

> Mac and Windows ecosystems you'd have no issue even charging up to $7 a month for a AI frontend.

I absolutely would have an issue with paying $7/mo for a TinyLlama-only frontend, no matter the platform. Maybe you’ve never actually used TinyLlama? What have you found it useful for in a general chat environment? How did the accuracy compare to models like Mistral-7B that run just fine on Vision Pro?

Price is fine, I wouldn't stress it at this stage.

how much would you pay?

When I saw your comment I expected it cost $100... Bro it's $7. I pay more each month for email. Good software costs money and $7 is a pittance. What the heck were you expecting, a dollar??

$10-$15 actually.

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