Dongles are great but supercharger cables are relatively short, we're going to see Fords blocking multiple chargers in various ways so they can connect. There's usually only one pull-in spot.
Tesla Superchargers are meant to be backed in to with a read driver's side charging port.
A F-150 will need to drive in to the spot adjacent to the charger they want to use and bring the charging cable across, effectivly using 2 stalls to charge, as far as I can tell.
Only for stations that aren't at the end of a row or lack a parking spot adjacent. And only if the "blocked" spot can't be used by another "mirror image" car design.
I mean, gas stations have been dealing with this problem for decades (different car designs need to pull through along different sides, so sometimes my Mazda "blocks" the two pumps because other cars can't pull in until I move) and we've all survived.
And in any case, unless you're trying to charge on major corridors on high traffic weekends, it's academic anyway. Over 30k miles and almost three years, I can count on one hand the number of times my Model Y has had to wait for a charger spot.
People are making way to big a deal out of a minor issue, basically. Standard Tesla discussion form.
This is a post about Ford's getting access to Superchargers, so I don't think it's making a "big deal" about anything to simply describe the configuration of the trucks and how that impacts their ability to use the superchargers. It just is what it is.
Verifiably false. Put a F-150 in every stall, and only one on the very end is blocked, and only if there isn't an open parking space next to it. If F-150's make up a significant fraction of the charging population, then you're looking at half the impact (25%) at most, not even including the spots on the ends that don't have a spot to block (most rows are 4-8 spots wide, so that's another 12-25% recovered). And of course if F-150's don't make up a significant fraction of the charging population, then you're not looking at a significant impact by definition.
I repeat, in exhaustion: This Is Not A Big Deal. Please stop making everything a big deal Because Tesla. It's exhausting.
Logic and reason have no place in a discussion that still needs to find reasons to hate the F150. ;)
Yeah, I've seen way too much stress about this issue. I'm sure there will be a few stations that have issues for short periods of time, but the overall picture just doesn't change that much.
And the solution is the same anyway. Just keep building.
Given the much longer time it takes to charge an EV it's not comparable.
It becomes a serious issue based on demand, obviously, where a dearth of chargers becomes even worse. It'll be sorted out over time but meanwhile there's more pain for EV users even as the number of compatible chargers increases, lessening the positive impact.
Not really sure what can be done about it except just hoping for more charge infrastructure to be built fast... If Tesla would go back to only offering charging for Tesla vehicles that would be nice when driving Tesla but a step back for the overall electrification so I'm actually ok with some minor annoyance on this.
https://electrek.co/2023/07/26/tesla-confirms-supercharger-v...
I assume they'd opt to put in more spots or longer cables rather than using exclusivity to reduce usage. Have you run into an installation that couldn't be used due to lack of space despite available chargers?
Reminds me of the 1/3 coin revolution problem: Circle A has 1/3 the radius of circle B. Circle A rolls around circle B until it returns to its starting position. How many revolutions of circle A are there in total?
https://mindyourdecisions.com/blog/2015/07/05/everyone-got-t...
IIRC, Tesla is currently installing ~2,400 stalls per year in the US. It could be higher now as the rate tends to trend up over time.
Of course, lots of third parties are ramping up now too (Pilot, Flying J, Circle-K, and the non-EA/Wal-Mart branded sites).
Putting it on the passenger side means I need to walk around the car nearly every time even though I pretty much never street park the car. No thanks.
The problem is when 80% or more are on one side (like Teslas are all on the same side now) and the rest are not.
The important thing to take away from this is we are still figuring out details and so should not lockin yet.
(Now I'm curious if the relationship between range and battery capacity is merely sublinear or if it actually peaks at some point i.e. there is a maximum theoretical range beyond which increasing battery capacity reduces range)
Does the gas port go on the side opposite the exhaust?
diesel trucks figured it out - you can pump from either side (or both).
And really I think that’s probably enough. It’s not like anyone’s putting the charge port in the middle of the roof.
The cables at Electrify America and some other places are often much longer and it doesn’t seem to be a big issue. The only issues I’ve seen with the cables themselves are some form of sabotage like someone cutting them off or breaking the connector.
Although I do think they are going to need a little bit of a redesign of the v4 cabinet. I'm hearing that the holster design isn't working all that well in real world use.
It works totally fine, my office has slow charging, the public library a short walk from my apartment has slow charging, and many supermarkets have superchargers or other DC fast charging so I almost never waste time dealing with charging.
Most of the time "transit" means 4x or more the travel time.
And no I don't have the time or resources to fix politicians, I have enough crap to do just trying to make money to live here and take care of myself. Even if I had time it's not like anything I do is going to result in Tokyo-quality public transit being built in the time that I live here.
Would use far more resources than most other conveniences you find in a car, but would also be a far more substantial quality of life improvement than the other stuff.