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My point exactly. It is such a locked down platform, that I cannot for the life of me understand why people fawn over iphones. They were first to market, but market mover advantage is gone, Apple has not made a good iphone value proposition in years. Especially if you hold it wrong.

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“Hold it wrong” was an antenna issue on the iPhone 4, released in 2010 and discontinued more than 10 years ago in 2013. Might be time to move on from that one…

It’s also interesting to point that specific one out because it’s a somewhat widely held opinion that outside of that specific flaw that the iPhone 4 was one of the best industrial designs of the time. Everything else about the design was very iconic, long lasting, and influential to future generations of devices both inside and outside of Apple

Maybe the design was iconic but the all-glass design made it fragile as hell. I replaced six screens/backs in the year I had my 4 and I was really happy when they switched to aluminum backs in the 5.

Apple was first to which market? There used to be a time when it was the Apple fanboys that claimed Apple was first to market.

First to the "everyday smartphone" market. Kinda. It didn't do anything very well at launch, not even copy/paste, but it was still awesome at the time

Apple deserve a lot (LOT) of credit for that one, but always with the caveat that it was incomplete in its own way - features were lacking while the experience was smooth and user friendly. Through the early 2010s (when I was also risking my cell phone store job by being on TV praising the introduction of a competitor...) it was always a toss up between the better functionality of Android and CE6 vs an interface that wasn't dropping every 10th frame even on flagship hardware.

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